Which German flag?

[OldenBUA]

Another vote for Grumpy.

But please note it's called a Balkenkreuz.

[KTravlos]

beyond the moral issues, the commercial issue is serious. German customcs have been known to refuse entry to boardgames with Nazi symbols. Pendraken would lose money.

[SV52]

Presumably the real bad actors, the SS, will still get their Sig runes?  Wanna ban something...

[Sandinista]

Commercial considerations make sense, I'd overlooked that side of it.

Cheers
Ian

[PFuentes]

Today I recieved my copy and I noticed an issue with the Spanish flag. You used the monarchic flag, adopted in 1977 after Franco's death. I would be more accurate to use the fascist flag adopted officially after the SCW or if you want to avoid political issues as you made with the german flag, a the yellow and red flag with no simbols.

I really like the collors and desig of the army lists section, congrats!

[Panzer-Kalle]

Flag 3 Unofficial flag with emblem a pre-war style not used offically but still recognisable as Germay!

Just to say it- this is the official ministration flag of the Bundesrepublik Deutschland to be found today at every  federal officebuilding!   

Cheers Kalle

[Duke Speedy of Leighton]

 

[Lord Kermit of Birkenhead]

Make something illegal, and it acquires a mystique. The same with murder. Look at arson. I mean to say, who of us can honestly say that he hasn't, at one time or another, set fire to some great public building?....

Stop quoting Monty Python at ME....

IanS

[Orcs]

As much as I hate the Nazis, why not use the flag they used?

Seems odd to me that we want to play with the model tanks of the Third Reich, but the flag is a no no. Our games represent people being killed but a wonky cross is beyond the pale, seems quite mad.

Cheers
Ian

I totally agree. The swastika was a religious symbol taken by the Third Reich.  I am fairly certain its still used in its original form for some Indian Religions.

This political correctness really annoys me.  Its what happened historically.  

Surely if you can't have a swastika you cant wear stripy clothes as that's what they dressed the inmates of the concentration camps in.  


But if we can't have the real thing then the Balkenkruz

[Techno]

Correct me if I'm wrong.....Which I probably am. 

But I thought the 'arms' on the original 'religious' swastika went in the opposite direction to the Nazi one. 

Cheers - Phil

[Lord Kermit of Birkenhead]

Strange - but for once you are correct. The Finnish one did as well. We cant use the 33-45 German flag because it's illegal in FGR and Austria.

IanS

[Techno]

Strange - but for once you are correct. IanS

I nearly fainted !

Me......Something 'historical' right ?

Cheers - Phil

[fred.]

The problem with putting the swastika on books or models, is that it immediately makes them illegal in Germany. So its not political correctness its about not shutting yourself out of a market due to their laws.

Yes there is a line between covering something up, and pretending it didn't happen. But my understanding is that the German law is to cover specific symbols that had the potential to act as rallying points for reformed Nazi groups. Of course all they have done is create variants that aren't covered in the law.

[Schlesien]

+1 for Grumpy.  Woops, old March poll.

[Lord Kermit of Birkenhead]

Something 'historical' right ?

I know - I've seen your sculpts 

IanS

[Techno]

  

Cheers - Phil.

[Westmarcher]

Strange - but for once you are correct. The Finnish one did as well.

IanS

Don't know if he is (sorry, Phil). 

Fondly recalling my visit to the Carlsberg brewery in Denmark in the 70's, there were four stone elephants with swastikas at the main gate which pre-date the Nazi party and have the arms pointing in the same direction. I've always harboured a certain yearning to go back there (they had free samples at the end of the tour!  ) but, alas, I've just read that the original brewery closed in 2008. 

http://www.atlasobscura.com/places/elephant-gate   

[Lord Kermit of Birkenhead]

Where the Elephants pink ?

[mollinary]

It occurs in both forms from the earliest times, and pretty well world wide, from Japan and India to Western Europe and Ancient Greece and Rome, also (I think) Norse and Celtic art.

Mollinary

[Westmarcher]

Where the Elephants pink ?

Where are elephants pink?

I didn't wish to get too close to investigate in case I was trampled by a very indignant pachyderm.


p.s. I knew you meant 'were' - answer is unfortunately 'no,' because I was under age at the time and so compelled to behave myself (and it was 1969 and not the seventies as first recalled).