Ancient Naval

[FierceKitty]

Length is probably the only critical measurement.

...as the actress said to the bishop.

[Ithoriel]

The ship itself is 22mm, the cast base, which includes oars, is 33mm x 13 mm, give or take 1/2mm

Thanks, sounds like they might do for what I'm after. Cheers.

[Ithoriel]

Took possessions of a handful of Langton 1:1200 Ancients this afternoon and spent the evening glueing my hand to the table assembling the merchant ship and the Frumentarii.

The merchant ship is considerably larger than the Navwar ones - a sea-going vessel to their coastal traders.

The Frumetarii grain ship is ginormous by comparison to everything else and is the first ship to need two hexes as a base (will need to tweak my rules to cope). Ideal to represent "Isis" or one of the other 55m long, 1200 ton, monsters that plied the route between Alexandria and the likes of Rome or Athens. Too high a freeboard to be easily boarded and too tough a hull to be easily rammed. Even my quinqiremes are going to be like wolves trying to take down an elephant against that thing!

Also in the package were a Siege Quinqireme - basically a quinqireme catamaran with a siege tower mounted on top - a wrecked quinquireme and a couple of packs of odds & ends that may (or may not) end up adorning my wreck markers.

In the meantime, the rest of the Carthaginians and the four Navwar merchantmen are undercoated and base coated.

Pictures when I get them finished.

[paulr]

Looking forward to seeing these

[Duke Speedy of Leighton]

Sounds great!

[Ithoriel]

OK, got the Langtons stuff assembled, undercoated and basecoated this morning, had a couple of games of Poseidon's Warriors this afternoon and have managed to fit in a session drybrushing the Navwar Carthaginians, the assorted merchantmen, the wreck and the Siege Quinquireme this evening.

Some thoughts on the Langtons stuff.

They are much better detail and more crisply cast than the Navwar stuff but correspondingly more expensive and I found them fiddly to assemble. They have separate sterns, masts and sails are separate, the ballista is a 2-part kit!!

Beautiful when done but an exercise in frustration as I glued bits of ship to myself and myself to the painting table and then dropped things on the floor when they turned out not to be as glued as I'd thought. Worth it for the variety it brought but glad not to be doing entire fleets. Younger, nimbler and more svelte fingers than mine would no doubt have fared better.

Sizewise, Langton warships are a smidge bigger than Navwar but not anything particularly noticeable. Their merchant ships are a whole different league from the Navwar ones but that's why I got them.

With Tumbling Dice having their oars as part of the base not the galley I think I'd have had more work to do with my basing so, although I like their models I'm glad I went with Navwar.

On Poseidon's Warriors - we're still enjoying the games but my opponents don't seem able to tell a trireme from a tambourine, let alone from a quinqireme   Another reason not to do 1:2400. So my plan is to add a small disc of 1mm grey board, created with a hole punch, to the base, paint it with the squadron colour and add a number to indicate the ship size - currently from a 2, for the Roman Liburnians, to a 7 for the Carthaginian flagship.

More on this as the project progresses.

[Zippee]

On Poseidon's Warriors - we're still enjoying the games but my opponents don't seem able to tell a trireme from a tambourine, let alone from a quinqireme   Another reason not to do 1:2400. So my plan is to add a small disc of 1mm grey board, created with a hole punch, to the base, paint it with the squadron colour and add a number to indicate the ship size - currently from a 2, for the Roman Liburnians, to a 7 for the Carthaginian flagship.

More on this as the project progresses.

Langton's are a modeller's wargaming ship - lovely but intimidating 

For the dots, it would surely be easier to purchase  stick on coloured dots from Amazon (other retailers exist, but I mean why bother?) 700 8mm dots here for £1.85
https://www.amazon.co.uk/d/Labels-Index-Dividers-Stamps/STICKY-COLOURED-LABELS-CIRCLES-ADHESIVE-ASSORTED-COLOURS/B00EU8WWUE/ref=pd_day0_229_2?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=3BQ4N9EWDNQ3H9A1DMET

[Ithoriel]

Langton's are a modeller's wargaming ship - lovely but intimidating 

For the dots, it would surely be easier to purchase  stick on coloured dots from Amazon (other retailers exist, but I mean why bother?) 700 8mm dots here for £1.85
https://www.amazon.co.uk/d/Labels-Index-Dividers-Stamps/STICKY-COLOURED-LABELS-CIRCLES-ADHESIVE-ASSORTED-COLOURS/B00EU8WWUE/ref=pd_day0_229_2?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=3BQ4N9EWDNQ3H9A1DMET

Thanks Zippee but dots already glued on to the Carthaginians. A bit obtrusive but if it means my regular opponent will actually be able to play it will be worth it.

[Ithoriel]

Squadron colour and "Oarsmen per file" info added.

[fred.]

That works, I can quite understand your friend's problem making out the different types of ships.

[Techno]

 

Cheers - Phil.

[Ithoriel]

Temporary inability to access email and the internet has had the slight bonus of seeing me painting rather more and playing Elder Scrolls Online considerably less!

As you can see, I am now returned to the digital world courtesy of a very nice Virgin Media engineer so I thought I'd post some pics of the slow progress of my ancient galley fleets. All of the (planned) Carthaginian fleet is now painted and the bulk of the merchants fleet too.

Pictures of the merchant ships below, with a Navwar quinquireme from previous post to show relative sizes.

From the front, two Navwar Greek coastal traders, Langton sea-going Roman trader, Langton's massive Frumentarii 1200 ton grain ship - actually to scale it is slightly smaller in length and breadth than the figures given for the "Isis" when she docked at Piraeus in the 1st Century AD - then a Navwar quinquireme, two Navwar Roman coastal traders and finally a Langton wrecked quinquireme.

[Duke Speedy of Leighton]

Those are brilliant
Is that Lino?

[Techno]

Excellent stuff, Mike !

Cheers - Phil.

[paulr]

 

Please tell me those sail markings are transfers

[Ithoriel]

Is that Lino?

Yep, a one metre length of a 2m wide vinyl flooring. Cost less than a tenner iirc.

Please tell me those sail markings are transfers

Much as I would love to be able to say they were hand painted I'm afraid that I do not have the time, talent or hand-eye coordination for that. Part of my extensive stock of GW waterslide transfers.