1813-15 Napoleonic Prussians released!

[Ithoriel]

Ummmm ... I'm probably going to expose my massive ignorance now, but is the gun a little bit small?  ... or is it far away?

The gun looks to be just about waist height. The Osprey illustration here of a Prussian 6pdr  shows the wheels to be closer to shoulder height.   

Bear in mind the figures are on bases and the gun is not. Jack it up to the same ground level and it does indeed reach to just below shoulder height.

[Subedai]

Lovely little chaps, Landwehr are the stand out figures...but I have just one little niggle (apart from armoured Mongol horses that is  ). Prussian Line musketeers and fusiliers are listed as being interchangeable but they are not because the musketeers wore the cartridge box on a crossbelt at the right-rear whereas the fusiliers wore theirs on a waistbelt at the front. Not much I know but noticeable if you can see the front of the little chap.

MickS

[FierceKitty]

There's something very strange about wanting to do horse and musket era Prussians and then opting for the Napoleonic period!

[FierceKitty]

Welcome to The Hotel California?

Doesn't scan or rhyme!

[fsn]

Bear in mind the figures are on bases and the gun is not. Jack it up to the same ground level and it does indeed reach to just below shoulder height.

I knew that.  Just testing. Hah!  Of course. On a base. Yes. Oooh look! Uhlans!

[Techno]

I think a lot of folk get caught out by that from time to time. 

Cheers - Phil

[Dave Fielder]

Also the 10mm picture (damn Pendraken for showing them) is a 6pdr whilst diagram looks more like a 12pdr.

[ronan]

I'm supposed to be making Californians, now ?

What uniform do they wear then ?

This ?

[Techno]

Hang on.

Where are the roller blades ? 

Cheers - Phil.

[Chad]

Fsn

Based on the text for the illustration, wheel sizes were standardised to facilitate changes.

[Chad]

Subedai

As far as I know the fusilier description you give is the pre 1808 uniform, when there were separate battalions. The 1813 fusiliers are the 3rd battalion of line regiments with the only distinction being black leatherwork as opposed to white for the 1st and 2nd battalions

[fsn]

The Osprey illustration did say a 6pdr.

Taking off the base then the gun would be about shoulder height.

I just wonderered if someone was going to say "Ah! It's a 1812 BangenBustenvonKnockenOffer from the Lippe Armoury which had small wheels because the trees around Lippe weren't very big around" or something similar. Obviously I'm better informed that I thought, but less observant.



Wonder from how high they had to drop those girls to get them that stuck in the sand.

[petercooman]

Wonder from how high they had to drop those girls to get them that stuck in the sand.

YEAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

[FierceKitty]

Wonder from how high they had to drop those girls to get them that stuck in the sand.

California? Just tell them it's a whole new far-out experience to bury their own heads in the sand (and, if that doesn't work, add it's how Julia Roberts got noticed at the start of her career).

[Subedai]

Subedai

As far as I know the fusilier description you give is the pre 1808 uniform, when there were separate battalions. The 1813 fusiliers are the 3rd battalion of line regiments with the only distinction being black leatherwork as opposed to white for the 1st and 2nd battalions

According to Nash, The Prussian Army 1808-1815, Almark Publications, 1972 (my copy is only held together by the thinnest of binding threads, a lot of love and even more careful handling), has diagrams on p. 18 of fusiliers with waist pouches; it still held true that the III Battalions were fusiliers wearing blackened equipment. Another difference between them and musketeers is that the latter usually painted a white circle on their waxed shako covers while the fusiliers left theirs plain.
Also if you follow this link, you will see in the painting by Knotel (second picture down) that the far left figure is that of a fusilier in summer trousers and a cartridge pouch on a waistbelt. 

http://napoleonistyka.atspace.com/Prussian_infantry.htm#_uniforms

MickS

[NTM]

The white circle was not unique to fusiliers it was used by all that participated in the 1812 Russian Campaign. The idea that fusiliers used a waisbelt stems from a Knotel plate which actually depicts a NCO in a particular dress order (just checked that link which shows the very plate). All this was explained in the Osprey Warrior volume IIRC. So fusiliers did actually use a crossbelt and the distinction was the style of sword carried which was straight bladed and without handguard.

Here's another Knotel plate showing fusilier with crossbelts

[Rob]

Brilliant, I've been looking forward to these. I'll have a corps worth please. 

We now need the Young Guard infantry to fight them, and Russians. 


Cheers, Rob 

[Rob]

Couple of questions:

What does landwehr the left hand figure represent? Is his left leg forward?

The right hand horse of the uhlan figures, is this horse standing still as opposed to the canter pose of the other horses?

Thanks, Rob 

[Leon]

What does landwehr the left hand figure represent? Is his left leg forward?

The sculptor notes says "Sergeant/private with pike on shoulder".

The right hand horse of the uhlan figures, is this horse standing still as opposed to the canter pose of the other horses?

Yep, standing pose while the others are in that 'leaping' into the charge type pose.  He's not reacted to the order as quickly as the others...!

[Dragoon]

nice 

when are the Brunswickers due

More importantly what about the 1/23rd. Foot The Royal Welch Fusiliers?  Waterloo

Not forgetting The 1/7th. Royal Fusiliers. In march 1815, Jersey America. April 1815 Portsmouth so would still be wearing the Stovepipe shako.
Or the 21st Fusiliers off the coast of America then occupation of Paris
The 7th and 21st both served in the Peninsula as did the 23rd
there doesn't appear to be any Light Infantry in stovepipe shakos.