Modern Vehicles

Started by Leon, 01 July 2016, 11:54:12 PM

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Quote from: fsn on 12 February 2021, 01:58:05 PM
I have a 1950s-ish imagination campaign where Conways, Conquerors and Centurions take on T54s and M48s.

And T-10s and M103s.

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Soviet heavies could also be IS-2, IS-3, ISU-152. All around til the early 60's
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All very valid points Gentlemen, but my warring proxies only bought T54s and M48s.

There is also a French client state with AMX13s and Panhards. Waiting for the AMX30 I think.
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Quote from: fsn on 12 February 2021, 03:33:38 PM
All very valid points Gentlemen, but my warring proxies only bought T54s and M48s.

There is also a French client state with AMX13s and Panhards. Waiting for the AMX30 I think.

I do like an AMX30 have any actually fought in anger anywhere?
I know the Greeks use(d) them - did they actually fight against the Turks with them?
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fsn

Does it matter? I have 4 warring imaginary nations that fight with all sorts of kit. :D
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sultanbev

AMX-30 tanks were used by the French and Qataris in 1st Gulf War.

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Quote from: sultanbev on 12 February 2021, 04:56:40 PM
AMX-30 tanks were used by the French and Qataris in 1st Gulf War.

Interesting - thanks Mark
I've always been interested in that balance of the three main forces in MBTs:

1) armour
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2) firepower
v
3) speed

The AMX-30 has that mix of speed & firepower over armour - but was it a success?
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sultanbev

Most users apart from Chile seem to have been happy with their AMX-30s, probably because it's lighter than most contemporaries, and thus less damaging to the native infrastructure. If you factor in the fact that tanks generally spend over 50% of their combat time not fighting tanks, but more often soft targets such as infantry, houses, trucks and dugouts, then it can be considered a successful design.
The Qataris lost 2x AMX-30 out of 2 companies in the battle of Khafji, knocking out 3x T-55 (or Chinese equivalent Type 59) and capturing 4 more.
The French armoured regiment of 42 active AMX-30B2 tanks only fired 270 shells in Desert Storm, and are not known to have had any knocked out.