I was one of the 14 votes for Pendraken. Who else voted? ;)

[Roy]

A mate I know submitted a wargaming article that featured in a magazine. However, the magazine held back the article till they could get figures professionally painted to illustrate the article for eye candy.

This article I mention that got published was meant to be the first of three. But, the painter, who professionally painted the couple of figures for the article that got published, then decided not to paint any more for the magazine. So the magazine then said they didn't want to publish the two further gaming articles, as they needed to include eye candy images matching those already shown, and since the figure painter had said no, they, the magazine, couldn't therefore print. So my mate's articles were refused.

Another mate was begged for photo content from (possibly the same magazine) to which he went out of his way to aid them, in understanding that his name would be accredited to the images that would be used as 'eye candy' for an article.
The work got published. The magazine got the name wrong. My mate missed out on work from the (advertising) content.

[toxicpixie]

Smooth. Reaaaaal smooth >_<

[fsn]

Hmmmm. I have been reflecting and wonder if it's I think it's a bit like saying "who's your favourite football team?" in the Manchester United fanzine.

One of the reasons I stopped buying WI was because it was going the way of White Dwarf from a general mag to an extended advert for a few favoured manufactures.

   

[skywalker]

Our club, Redcar Ironbeards subjected an article to WI about how a small club with very limited modelling talent put on demonstration games at shows. It focused on showing an average club and the fact that playing the game doesn't mean you have to have fantastically painted miniatures and beautifully crafted terrain to enjoy the hobby. The curt response we got back said the report just looked like a group of mates having a game and they would not publish it. I know eye candy sells but some people who are not very good at the painting and modelling side of the hobby still want to play.
Years ago there was a series in White Dwarf about collecting a Bretonian army by Nigel Stillman and he admitted that he was a very average painter but they printed the article without any repainting of the miniatures. The editior at the time was keen to promote all aspects of Games Workshop and admited that not everyone could paint well and he hoped the articiles would encourage others to join in.

Oh and to get back on thread I did vote for Pendraken 

[Tawa]

Years ago there was a series in White Dwarf about collecting a Bretonian army by Nigel Stillman and he admitted that he was a very average painter but they printed the article without any repainting of the miniatures. The editior at the time was keen to promote all aspects of Games Workshop and admited that not everyone could paint well and he hoped the articiles would encourage others to join in.

I remember that article! I was made up with it as my painting is s***e! 

[Leman]

Isn't the whole point of wargaming a bunch of mates having a game, or have I missed something?

[skywalker]

That is true Leman, it's just people who produce magazines these days want to portray a perfect world not the one that most wargamers exist in

[Leman]

Maybe they should get into railway modelling instead. I mean, I like an attractive wargames table but it still has to be playable on, and usually has to be set up and taken down in an evening.

[d_Guy]

Maybe they should get into railway modelling instead.

Interesting point. What little bit I did in model railroading involved laying out a mainline oval with several sidings and switches (you may call them something different), a few industrial buildings and no scenery.  All the fun was in operations, solving switching problems, that sort of thing. The glossy mags in either hobby are wonderful to look at but I think that there are many folks (as has been said) in both hobbies just doing the basics and getting to the game playing as quick as they can.  Explains the attraction of video games and the high production quality boardgames.

One of the reasons I like this forum is that a lot of us "common folk" find encouragement here 

[Techno]

One of the reasons I like this forum is that a lot of us "common folk"........

Who's going to get the first insult in ?

Cheers - Phil

[Ithoriel]

"You'll never live like common people
You'll never do what common people do
You'll never fail like common people
You'll never watch your life slide out of view ... " - Pulp "Common People"

[fred.]

I like an attractive wargames table but it still has to be playable on, and usually has to be set up and taken down in an evening.

This is really important - one of my gaming mates as terrain boards that have hedges glued to all the field boundaries - this looks great. But is really a pain to play on, unless you are playing a bocage fight in Normandy in the summer of 1944. And even then you have all the hedges the same, so all have to be heavy bocage, or just simple hedges.

Whereas plonk down terrain on top of a base cloth, doesn't look quite as good, but is much more versatile, and much more game friendly.

[paulr]

Who's going to get the first insult in ?

Who us... 

[d_Guy]

"You'll never live like common people
You'll never do what common people do
You'll never fail like common people
You'll never watch your life slide out of view ... " - Pulp "Common People"

Good one! 

For some reason - and I can't fathom why this should be the response - the only tune readily available in my head was ZZ Top "sharp Dressed Man"
Clean shirt, new shoes
And I don't know where I am goin' to.
Silk suit, black tie,
I don't need a reason why.
They come runnin' just as fast as they can
Cause every girl crazy 'bout a sharp dressed man

Actually I tell a lie - that was second. the very first was "I've got 25 lighters on my dresser, yessir" but that made even less sense 

[Ithoriel]

[Techno]

Who us... 

I was expecting Nobby to have said something by now. 

Cheers - Phil

[fsn]

My mother told me, frequently, not to do that at the dinner table, but she also opined that if one had nothing good to say, one should slag off mercilessly.

I've had more fun playing "Tunnels and Trolls" with unpainted figures than against some rulesmith with a preponderance of Tigers and the innate ability to pull out rule 27.4.3 para 6 saying that PIATs can only fire on a Tuesday.

It doesn't have to be expensive. I would humbly suggest that less that £10 of Pendraken goodies could net you sufficient for a really good skirmish game in just about any period. You can refight the Falklands air war for the same amount with Tumbling Dice models.

The game is the thing. It's meant to be fun.

[Duke Speedy of Leighton]

Who are you and what have you done with FSN?!?

[d_Guy]

The game is the thing. It's meant to be fun.

Preach, brother!