The Problem with Speaking English

Started by Orcs, 04 May 2016, 07:25:14 PM

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Fenton

Quote from: FierceKitty on 12 May 2016, 01:06:51 AM
What excuse do the English have for their own neglect of the language? Thatcher can't be blamed forever....

We don't neglect it. We just let it do its own thing
If I were creating Pendraken I wouldn't mess about with Romans and  Mongols  I would have started with Centurions , eight o'clock, Day One!

Nirnman

I am from Northern Ireland and while working for HMC&E as it was then had cause to ring one of our offices in Liverpool as the conversation ended the scouser on the other end remarked how strange it was that I had understood him, i eplied well liverpool is the capital of Ireland and his accent wasnt that strange to my ears.


Roy

Re: Yorkshire accents.

I have been known to lay it on thick in the past, so as to confuse  :d

Re: Indian Phone Centres.

Not that I've spoken to many, but those I have, I could well understand their English.

And I'm frequently picked up on my (written) English over on TMP by the two Asian (Thai, I think) editors.
Rimmer: "Aliens."

Lister: "Oh God, aliens... Your explanation for anything slightly peculiar is aliens, isn't it?

Rimmer: "Well, we didn't use it all, Lister. Who did?"

Lister: "Rimmer, aliens used our bog roll?"

Ithoriel

As part of my job, back in the bad old days when I was working, I had to phone Indian call centres on a regular basis. Some there spoke beautifully clear English but most did not.

I do accept that, from the point of view of the call centre workers, the person with the incomprehensible accent was me :)
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Techno

I think half the problem with call centres overseas, is the quality of the 'line'. (Sometimes)

It's bad enough if you have a problem with the accent of the person you're trying to communicate with.....But if the line keeps breaking up, it's nigh on impossible to understand what they're saying.

Cheers - Phil


Lord Kermit of Birkenhead

Today had to say several things 5 times - post code, problem, person/organisation responsible. Ok my post code ends TT, what is a tad difficult to say BUT !!!!

IanS
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Techno

Just say "Tango, Tango", Ian......

I have to spell my whole postal address phonetically if I order something from a firm I've never dealt with before.....Until I get to 'Pembrokeshire'.  ;)

Cheers - Phil.

Roy

Re: Accents

Once worked on a building site and we had a Telecommunications Computer Data engineer (no, I don't know what him and his apprentice were actually doing, except it involved big cables for computers).

The bloke had a brilliant accent and was introduced to everyone as "This is Jan. He's from Wales."
To which he'd reply with weary indignation (in a, to an Englishman's ears, Welsh accent) "I'm not from bloody Wales. I'm Belgian!"
Only problem was, new people thought he was joking and that he was really Welsh.   

I haven't been to Belgium, so I don't know if there is a similarity of accent between Flemish-Belgian and Welsh.
I bet the bloke was glad to see the back of us though and go home every Friday night. 
Rimmer: "Aliens."

Lister: "Oh God, aliens... Your explanation for anything slightly peculiar is aliens, isn't it?

Rimmer: "Well, we didn't use it all, Lister. Who did?"

Lister: "Rimmer, aliens used our bog roll?"

FierceKitty

Quote from: RoyWilliamson on 12 May 2016, 12:32:20 PM
Re: Accents

Once worked on a building site and we had a Telecommunications Computer Data engineer (no, I don't know what him and his apprentice were actually doing, except it involved big cables for computers).

The bloke had a brilliant accent and was introduced to everyone as "This is Jan. He's from Wales."
To which he'd reply with weary indignation (in a, to an Englishman's ears, Welsh accent) "I'm not from bloody Wales. I'm Belgian!"
Only problem was, new people thought he was joking and that he was really Welsh.   

I haven't been to Belgium, so I don't know if there is a similarity of accent between Flemish-Belgian and Welsh.
I bet the bloke was glad to see the back of us though and go home every Friday night. 

I met an Italian monk once. He'd learned English (very well) in Dublin. Most disconcerting accent.
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paulr

I had been dealing with a guy with a Scandinavian name from Ericsson in Sweden via email, he came out to NZ and the first meeting was a bit of a shock

He was of African ancestry (how are you meant to say that these days?) but the real shock was his broad Scottish accent :o
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fsn

I was at Uni in Sheffield. We did some research on what children watched on TV and what they played in the playground (yes it was that long ago).

I remember interviewing a group of beautiful Asian girls in bright Punjabi pyjamas who all spoke with big voices in a strong Yorkshire accent. "Aye, we likes playing 'Yorkshire Ripper'."



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And I do not speak Scouse in any way, shape or form, like. Youse better believe it!
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Fenton

Youse is a very Northern Irish word as well

As in " Youse un's fancy a pint"
If I were creating Pendraken I wouldn't mess about with Romans and  Mongols  I would have started with Centurions , eight o'clock, Day One!

FierceKitty

Quote from: fsn on 13 May 2016, 07:17:28 AM


Clive James said that Australian women are the most beautiful in the world ...until they open their mouths.  



It'll just be to insert a beer bottle, you know.
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fsn

Then I would suggest you're not using your imagination.
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Leman

Anyone see the report on BBC Breakfast this morning about northern teachers being 'encouraged' to moderate their accents. Fecking southerners - too bloody thick to produce enough of their own.
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skywalker

The funniest thing that happened concerning accents was when an Engineer where I now work, who was Dutch with not a very good understanding of English, especially the North East variety being involved in a technical discussion with a contractor from Newcastle and was broad Geordie. It ended up that one of the local lads from Middlesbrough being called over to act as a translator as neither of them could understand a word the other was speaking  =O =O =O

Roy

 ;D

I've worked on a few buildings sites in the north east where you can't understand half of what's been said.

Durhamite.
Geordie.
Mackem.
Smoggie.
Yorkie.

Then add to the mix people from outside the region - or when people deliberately speak to confuse (who, me?  :d ) - and it gets right old confusing.
Rimmer: "Aliens."

Lister: "Oh God, aliens... Your explanation for anything slightly peculiar is aliens, isn't it?

Rimmer: "Well, we didn't use it all, Lister. Who did?"

Lister: "Rimmer, aliens used our bog roll?"

fsn

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Fenton

Quote from: fsn on 13 May 2016, 03:02:02 PM
"Hot Fuzz" anyone?

Dont think the weathers been warm enough today for anyone to suffer from it
If I were creating Pendraken I wouldn't mess about with Romans and  Mongols  I would have started with Centurions , eight o'clock, Day One!

Leman

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