Baroque WIP

[Westmarcher]

Good to find out more about Baroque's basing conventions, Zippee.  What also comes out is that it looks like you can arrange as many of your wee men on the base as and how you want. Hopefully I wasn't being pedantic (but then again having some level of interest in detail - different from individual to individual - goes with the hobby. In fact, one might say one man's pedantic is another man's marvellously authentic!). But, as Zippee says, it is a period of transition and so helluva difficult for us to replicate "the look" on the table. My observation was made simply to point out that if we are looking for some level of authenticity in our Pike & Shot units, we might not have to paint as many Pike as we thought!      

Of course, I've now found the link with 5 rank deep pike!  

http://www.syler.com/Breitenfeld/infantry/SwedeBrigade.htm

[Zippee]

Wow, that games room's a good size.

As it seems popular I just popped down and took a quick video - it's on Flickr here
https://www.flickr.com/photos/zippee/albums/72157633554453675/with/9641167454/

and yes all those really useful boxes are full of figures (painted ones  )

[Westmarcher]

Did anyone else hear an angelic choir when looking at Zippee's set-up or was it just me?   

[Zippee]

Good to find out more about Baroque's basing conventions, Zippee.  What also comes out is that it looks like you can arrange as many of your wee men on the base as and how you want. Hopefully I wasn't being pedantic

For those that are interested this is the basing schema for Baroque - and the 10mm numbers I'm using (this uses the 15mm basing recommendations, 28mm bases are 180mm wide and deeper of course). In Baroque (and Impetus for that matter) the only thing that really matters is width, depth has very marginal impact on the game. The number and disposition of figures on the bases is also utterly at the whim of the player - most try and generate diorama style bases. That said, all Impetus bases are effectively 4 DBx/FoG style bases - Baroque is generally 6 (3 for mounted), so really a baroque base is a FoG battlegroup.

                   Frontage      Depth        Figures   
Gallopers (GA)   120mm   x   40mm      13   (3 cmd, 10 gallopers in single wave)
Trotters (TR)   120mm   x   40mm      15   (3 cmd, 12 trotters in single rank)
Reiters (RE)   120mm   x   40mm      18   (3 cmd, 15 reiters in double rank)
Reiters (RE)   120mm   x   80mm      36   (3 cmd, 33 reiters in quadruple rank) - Massed
Sipahi (SP)    120mm   x   40mm      13   (3 cmd, 10 sipahi in single wave)
Light Horse (CL)   120mm   x   40mm      8   (8 dispersed light horse)
(Massed Horse units should have double the depth)                  
                  
Pike Blocks (PK)                   120mm   x   120mm      144   (6 cmd, 12 halberd, 116 pike, 10 sword)
Early Tercio (ETE)           120mm   x   120mm      97   (3 cmd, 46 pike, 48 shot in 4 sleeves)
Late Tercio (LTE)           120mm   x   80mm      61   (3 cmd, 28 pike, 30 shot in 2 sleeves)
Early Pike & Musket (EPM)   120mm   x   40mm      41   (3 cmd, 14 pike, 24 shot in 2 sleeves)
Late Pike & Musket (LPM)   120mm   x   40mm      35   (3 cmd, 4 pike, 28 shot in 2 wings)
Musket (T)                           120mm   x   40mm      33   (3 cmd, 30 shot in a firing line)
Irregulars (WB)                   120mm   x   40mm      48   (3 cmd, 45 warriors)
Skirmishers (S)                   120mm   x   40mm      16   (16 shot in a skirmish line)
Dragoons (DR)              120mm   x   40mm      24   (24 dragoons in a firing line)
(Dragoons can be up to 60mm depth if horse-holders and horses depicted)                  
                  
                  
Artillery (ART)           40mm   x   40mm      4   (1 piece plus crew)
Baggage (BAG)         160mm   x   80mm      X   Baggage Scene
( Baggage Composed of two 80mm x 80mm bases)                  
                  
                  
C-in-C      40mm Diameter         3 or 4   Vignette
CMDR      20mm Diameter         1 or 2   Vignette
CAS              20mm Diameter         1   Marker


And no concerns for pedantry from me - that would be hypocritical   And I can't stand hypocrites!

It's just that ECW and Renaissance in general just isn't one of those areas that kicks of my pedantry gene.

[Westmarcher]

OK. Think I've got it.    

[must remember now ..... Baroque .....  never mind the depth, feel the width .... never mind the depth .... ]  

[Zippee]

Very pretty!

Top tip, large mdf bases warp.  To stop the 'curl up', score the underside and paint with diluted PVA glue.   

Right I'm officially blaming you as you brought it up 

Never had this happen before - must be due to long thin bases 

Only the first test base though - the remainder have been duly scored and PVA'd

So thanks for the tip [belatedly] 

[Leman]

I'm going for units made up of three 4omm bases to avoid this problem. Solve the warp problem Mr.Data.

So Jean-Luc Picard goes into the Singer shop to complain about his poor quality machine, "Make it sew!"

[d_Guy]

Well - you had to know this was coming

[Zippee]

I'm going for units made up of three 4omm bases to avoid this problem.

I think that will be a popular methodology far many reasons - however having made the change from DBX basing to Impetus basing (no small undertaking) the ease of play factor is so much better that I personally wouldn't consider it. For me it would seem a big step backwards.

The good news being that so far the tip has paid off, the slightly warped test base has levelled out and the others are looking OK. Will no for sure by the weekend when I'll post more WIP pictures.

Just need Leon to crank the old casting mill a bit faster 

As for the rest I have no comment, but I think I'd look like Cpt Picard feels when I realised the SFA rules didn't allow me to space Mr Crusher

[Zippee]

Not a lot of progress this week - real life issues intervening.

but I have mad some progress, including basing up the first two units - there are forlorn hopes, dragoons and various odds and sods on the workbench but I thought I'd upload a couple of nearly finished WIP images

https://www.flickr.com/photos/zippee/albums/72157667670885881

[Bodvoc]

Looking good

[d_Guy]

Coming along nicely Zippee.

[Zippee]

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[Techno]

Looking really good. 

Cheers - Phil.

[Aksu]

So, in order to make my Louis XIV figs pedantically appropriate I am in luck. I can make nice 120x40 base trays for my 30x30 stands. Mdf and strips of 5mm triangular strips or some such stuff for the edges. That should do it, I suppose.
And now back to painting coulinarily inspired regiments. Brie and Beaujolais are on the table as we speak.
Cheers,
Aksu