Master list for a new Aztec range - Add your input!

[Techno]

    
(Yes.........But what will I charge Leon ?) 

Men in one piece 'pajamas' will be a piece of widdle......How some of the headdresses will come out of a mould without snapping off, is another matter. 
Cheers - Phil.

[Leon]

Should I send you some of the minis I made already ?

Thanks for the offer, but probably not, it would be better to keep them all from one sculptor and the same style, etc.  I appreciate the offer though! 

One possible nice to have (as opposed to must have) would be the Aztec Tlamemeh, or porters, who brought supplies and reloads to the Aztec warriors.

FK had mentioned those in an email as well, so we're thinking we might be able to convert them from one of the other porter codes we've already got.

How some of the headdresses will come out of a mould without snapping off, is another matter. 

I think those will come under the 'Back banners' bit, where we'll have to sprue them up and cast them separately for folks to add themselves.  Some of those larger ones on poles would never cast if they were attached to the figure.

[Techno]

I think those will come under the 'Back banners' bit, where we'll have to sprue them up and cast them separately for folks to add themselves.  Some of those larger ones on poles would never cast if they were attached to the figure.

Oh....Yeah !....'Course  (Only ever had to do that at this scale , once before......And I'd forgotten all about that.....At least it'll make things easier.....Huzzah !)
The larger 'samurai helmet' type 'thingy' would certainly be fun to try and get to come out, attached to the model ! 

Cheers - Phil

[Rob]

I would be very interested in an Italian wars range so some dual use Spanish would be good.


Rob

[FierceKitty]

Got that already. The first of my current 10mm were French and Spanish renaissance.

[Rob]

Do you mean early 16th Century English and Scots?

[FierceKitty]

I used them extensively, yep. Also a few figures from Irregular Miniatures and the late Obelisk Miniatures (also the source of my Inca army; I wonder if anyone else has one?).

[Lord Kermit of Birkenhead]

NO AZTECS EVER EVER EVER

IanS

[O Dinas Powys]

How about some civilians, priests and a human sacrifice viginette?! 

Cheers!

Meirion

[Rob]

I think the range would benefit from an increase in scope. Namely more modern Mexicans. I think you should include figures such as cavalry with sombreros, revolvers, Winchesters and infantry with Mausers. 

[Leman]

See that sword and buckler man - we need some for the Italian Wars as well. And weren't most of the Spanish cavalry in early C16th America remarkably like genitors?

[John Cook]

I'm sure they will be excellent sculpts.  I don't know very much about the Aztecs.  Who did they fight, other than the Spanish?  Will there be a compatible range of Spanish and other opponents, or will they be like the Mongols, apparently opponentless?

[Leon]

Will there be a compatible range of Spanish and other opponents, or will they be like the Mongols, apparently opponentless?

I'm not an expert on the period but I think most of the Elizabethan range can be brought into service, but we might need a few extra options doing on that side.

[FierceKitty]

They fought the Tlaxcalans for a couple of centuries before the Europeans arrived; one reason why the Tlaxcalans readily joined the invaders, and usually formed the great majority of their forces. To this day there's bad blood between the two groups.

[Ithoriel]

I believe the Otomi were originally enemies who either became or gave their name to the elite Aztec Otomi warrior group.

The following summary is from aztec-history.net

AZTEC ENEMIES

Growth, power and fame came hand in hand with making enemies when it comes to the Aztecs. The Aztecs took a lot of people from the neighboring weaker tribes to be sacrificed to their gods and that alone made them hated by the other tribes. So there was at no time any shortage of Aztec enemies. But since the Aztecs were a powerful lot and when it comes to skill they were unmatched; the other groups couldn't take down the Aztecs.

Texlacans

The Texlacans or the Tlaxcalans were amongst the major enemies of the Aztecs. They looked similar to the Aztecs and their only difference was their weapons, particularly the shield was different and they had no ranks like the jaguar or eagle elite warriors. They were also fierce but somehow the Aztecs always came out as the victor during battles except for one particular fight when the Spanish conquerors sided with the Texlacans.

Huaxtec

The Huaxtec were another tribe that was enemies with the Aztecs. Instead of the elaborate headgears and costumes, the significant or noticeable feature among the Huaxtec was that they wore pointed hats whenever they went to battle.

Purempecha

The Purempecha or the Tarascans lived to the west of the Aztecs and they were powerful too. They successfully managed to keep the Aztecs from expanding to the west and they were highly skilled warriors too just like the Aztecs. The Purempecha are now known as P'urhépecha.

Mayans

Another enemy of the Aztecs was the Mayans. The Mayans were highly skilled and were advanced too. They had a system of writing, had religious beliefs and built very impressive structures and some of those can still be seen today.

But the most significant enemy of the Aztecs was not among those found in the surrounding area of the valley, nor did they live in the same continent. These people were highly skilled, had far superior weapons than the Aztecs. They were the Spaniards; the conquistadors or the conquerors. Not only did they defeat the Aztecs and destroyed their empire, but they also defeated the Mayans.

Spanish conquistadors

Near the end of Montezuma the Second's reign, at about 1520, thirty eight tributary provinces were already present and the Aztecs were flourishing. But with the help of the other tribes at the borders of the Aztec empire, (Texlacans, etc.) the Aztecs were easily defeated by the Spaniards. Spaniards not only wisely used other tribes for their war against Aztec but they also played the card of internal strife that was present among the Aztecs themselves.

With Hernan Cortes in the lead, the Aztecs were easily defeated, especially since the weapons of the Spaniards included superior swords, guns and even cannons. The Aztec weapons were all make by hand.

In addition to that, Montezuma II naively welcomed the Spaniards, thinking that Cortes was the fair-skinned god Quetzalcoatl (The Plumed Serpent). Even though the Aztecs gave the Spaniards lots of gold and other precious items, the Spaniards were set on conquering the Aztecs so in the end, Montezuma II was killed and most of the silver, gold and other such precious items of the Aztecs were shipped to Spain.

[Duke Speedy of Leighton]

We've been using Mapuche this weekend, from Chile, used pike, hockey sticks, bows, cavalry, brilliant!
Fought off both Inca and Spanish.
Oh, and remained independent until the 1880s!!!

[FierceKitty]

There were a few striking differences in the Tlaxcalan way of doing things; most importantly, they relied, with pathetically little success, on massed archery. They certainly had plenty of warriors in distinctive fancy dress too. In fact, their duck warriors....

[Leman]

Using the Elizabethan range against Montezuma would be like using WWI British against the Zulus and saying, "Well they've got guns and a uniform, what more do you want?' Much better to use the Flodden figures against the 1520s Aztecs, but as yet there are no shielded light cavalry.

[Ithoriel]

Using the Elizabethan range against Montezuma would be like using WWI British against the Zulus and saying, "Well they've got guns and a uniform, what more do you want?'

Wait! That's wrong? OMG! I'm doing it all wrong! No more Eldar pretending to be Soviets and Space Marines masquerading as Wehrmacht in CoC for me and that cardboard box with PzIV L/70 written on the top and a drinking straw at the front is right out!

Nice to have accurate figures if they're available but frankly after decades of gaming with whatever we could cobble together the current,"I can't use that the pom-pom on that shako is the wrong shape!" leaves me bewildered.

Providing all the players know what things are, I'm happy.

[fsn]

Providing all the players know what things are, I'm happy.

Well said Sir!