Dipping a toe into the Dark Side.

[Ithoriel]

Close Combat is the top down one with the coloured pins?

I had the Arnhem one, but couldn't get on with it - it seemed too much micromanagement.  Was I doing something wrong?

Only if you consider playing a game that requires micromanagement, when you don't like games that require micromanagement, wrong. As my mother would say about food when I was young, how do you know you don't like it unless you try it!

Troops in most of these games require constant attention or they do dumb stuff, less stressful if turn-based where you can take a break from the action between turns. Which is why I'm less keen on turn based games.

[fsn]

One of my pet hates in rules sets is allowing troops to do stupid things.

In Napoleonic terms, an infantry regiment in line should be allowed to form square unless specifically ordered not to (yes, Prince of Orange, I'm looking at you.) Col von Ompteda isn't sat on his horse saying "well bless me, there's some Frenchies on horseback approaching at a lick. Wonder what to do. Better wait for orders."

Similarly, Americans in Korea when confronted by a 85mm shell going through the the lead half track, aren't going to carry on. They will run away. That's unfair. Half of them will run away, the others will debus and dig in, and then run away.

Anyway, my point is that some rulesets are skiddy panties.     

[fred.]

In the CC games it did require a degree of micro management - but you generally didn't have too many squads / vehicles to look after.

In the later games there were more options to put troops on to overwatch and set way points when moving, which did allow them to be a bit more independent.

CC2 (market garden) was my favourite of the series, probably because of the subject matter, even if it was a bit clunky. The Normandy and Ardennes ones got much better graphics, but the underlying engine didn't really change much.

[petercooman]

Yes they needed some management, especially the mortars. If you forgot about those, they would generally fire their entire payload at a field 15 minutes after the last enemy had passed through.

Machine guns were also prone to firing all their lead, when you weren't watching them.

[fred.]

I'd forgotten about the ammo management. It was a method of attacking, if you were in good cover you could get the enemy to shoot off all their ammo, then you could attack them.

Controlling your MGs to keep firing in burst was important. I think the Vickers MGs fired a lot slower so were able to be used for the whole battle much more easily, whereas the MG42s could shoot off their ammo very quickly. In many ways this seems pretty realistic.

[petercooman]

I'd forgotten about the ammo management. It was a method of attacking, if you were in good cover you could get the enemy to shoot off all their ammo, then you could attack them.

Controlling your MGs to keep firing in burst was important. I think the Vickers MGs fired a lot slower so were able to be used for the whole battle much more easily, whereas the MG42s could shoot off their ammo very quickly. In many ways this seems pretty realistic.

Yes the mg 42 didn't last long if you kept on firing.

The same with recon teams, they would fire of their ammo pretty fast if you lost them out of your sight.

[Last Hussar]

If I'm trying to command a company I don't have time to sod about stopping people shooting all their ammo off!

I'll stick with Combat Mission Beyond Overlord.

[petercooman]

If I'm trying to command a company I don't have time to sod about stopping people shooting all their ammo off!

I'll stick with Combat Mission Beyond Overlord.

So does this mean you will push your company forward untill they are out of ammo? 

[fred.]

If I'm trying to command a company I don't have time to sod about stopping people shooting all their ammo off!

I'll stick with Combat Mission Beyond Overlord.

Each to their own, but I found CM required much more micro managing and endless replaying of turns to work out what was going on. 

[Tawa]

Yes they needed some management, especially the mortars. If you forgot about those, they would generally fire their entire payload at a field 15 minutes after the last enemy had passed through.

Or deciding they weren't happy with their lot as mortarmen and would start crawling towards the enemy for no bloody reason..... 

[Last Hussar]

Or deciding they weren't happy with their lot as mortarmen and would start crawling towards the enemy for no bloody reason..... 

That was it - soldiers all over the place with you going "What the HELL do you think you are doing"

My recollection was it was Schrodenbergs wargame.  You could know where units were, or what they were doing, but never both at the same time.

[petercooman]

Or deciding they weren't happy with their lot as mortarmen and would start crawling towards the enemy for no bloody reason..... 

They usually did that if they were out of ammo, and were still on fire orders, they woul go and shoot 

[Tawa]

They usually did that if they were out of ammo, and were still on fire orders, they woul go and shoot 

Mine always did it even if they were on ambush orders...... 

That was it - soldiers all over the place with you going "What the HELL do you think you are doing"

"Get back in that f&%3ing hedgerow!!!!"

[FierceKitty]

That was it - soldiers all over the place with you going "What the HELL do you think you are doing"

My recollection was it was Schrodenberg's wargame.  You could know where units were, or what they were doing, but never both at the same time.

Don't believe I've heard of that person....

[fsn]

"Get back in that f&%3ing hedgerow!!!!"

in the West Country, that's courtship.

[mollinary]

Don't believe I've heard of that person....

Maybe he's a friend of Heisenberg, but I can't be certain.     Just as long as he doesn't keep his cat in a fridge!      

Mollinary

[Tawa]

in the West Country, that's courtship.

Alroyt moy ansome? Does you want a drop o ziyder? 

[Last Hussar]

Either

1) Never type on a tablet late at night when you need sleep but the cough from the chest infection is keeping you awake

or

2) You aren't up on the latest research in quantum wargaming.

[Westmarcher]

By the way, i just popped the cossack disk back in.

And if my wife says something about it, i'm blaming you!!

Just found out. They are releasing a modern re-make of the original Cossacks game!

http://www.cossacks3.com

And I had just rebuilt my life! Nooooooooooo!

[petercooman]

Just found out. They are releasing a modern re-make of the original Cossacks game!

http://www.cossacks3.com

And I had just rebuilt my life! Nooooooooooo!