Bolt Action

[toxicpixie]

Nosher, that's exactly the sort of thing I mean - 203mm howitzers on table in an infantry platoon level game etc. The ranges look distinctly weird in 28mm as well. We normally play in 15mm (or 20mm for SCW) and it actually looks pretty good on table!

The basic d6 to hit, wound and move sequence is pure "Warhammer circa 1983 onwards", but the motivation and pinning and tactics all reward approaching it quite well as a platoon commander. Unless your Nebelwerfers are hot that day, and anything else is cleared up by your elite flamethrowing cheese brigade and the scenerio means you have to sit in the middle ground and make quacking noises for two truns...

I'd suggest PBI from Peter Pig for a slightly higher level but still one to one game - and one that's an even better simulation, but is still susceptible to serious cheese.

[Ithoriel]

Nosher, that's exactly the sort of thing I mean - 203mm howitzers on table in an infantry platoon level game etc. The ranges look distinctly weird in 28mm as well. We normally play in 15mm (or 20mm for SCW) and it actually looks pretty good on table!

...and that's the problem with "reasonable" forces, a Soviet platoon acting as close support for a tracked 203mm howitzer which is clearing bunkers/ urban strong points with direct fire would be perfectly historical ... in some circumstances ... and utterly cheesy in others.

Seems to me that for most wargames it's not so much about picking your forces as about picking your opponents. If you are both history nerds or both power gamers that's fine but when one is interested in WARgames and the other in warGAMES well ..... there may be trouble ahead

[toxicpixie]

That's it, yes - not every scenario on table is the same, strange combinations do happen (and are often not strange in context!) and odd combo's make things... odd. But sometimes are plausible, even if not common. It's why army lists and force generation systems and scenario set ups are so hard to get right! I'm happy with the Bolt Action lists, in general, as we're usually pretty sensible with our forces but they're very easy to abuse if you wanted to. Mind, most things balance out on table, unless the scenario says otherwise... it's more the scenarios that don't seem to bear much relationship to anything outside of the 41st Millennium...