Applique Track armour

Started by Heedless Horseman, 24 June 2015, 12:31:18 AM

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d_Guy

As a viewer with limited knowledge the tank vs tanks battle in "Fury" seemed particularly well done. Four American Shermans (?) take on one German Tiger (which model I know not). Actually three Shermans since one was taken out by ambush by the first shot from the Tiger on the American's flank as they advanced in column down a road. The three remaining tanks (one of which is "Fury") swing into line to engage the enemy. As soon as the Americans perceive they are up against a Tiger they fire smoke and rapidly pull back (until they are hemmed in by trees). I won't describe the rest of the action (since some may still want to see the movie without spoilers)

Apropos to the discussion, however, Fury takes one hit in the flank directly were a log bundle is attached to the hull. The shell destroys the logs but is deflected. Since later in the action Fury takes another hit near the front corner (I think) which caroms off, is it possible that the appliqué armor is added to produce as many angles as possible in addition to resistance to penetration?

In any case the tank battle (plus tanks operating with infantry assaulting a fixed position) are worth the price of admission to seeing the movie.

The Audie Murphy assessment was amusing Lthoriel!  :).
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Wulf

Fury was good hollywood, but not realistic. On the other hand, neither is reality, sometimes...

Zulu was inaccurate, but the real story is just as astounding.


Matt J

didn't Audie Murphy call in artillery support though

and in Fury I think it was a Battalion of SS infantry not a company. Ruined the film for me which is a shame as Guy has pointed out the Sherman v Tiger battle was really well done.
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Wulf

Well, the Tiger commander would never have survived that long if he charged across open fields at enemy tanks, so not that well done. But it did let us see the Tiger, so I enjoyed it...

fsn

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Quote from: Matt J on 23 March 2016, 04:21:20 PM
didn't Audie Murphy call in artillery support though

and in Fury I think it was a Battalion of SS infantry not a company. Ruined the film for me which is a shame as Guy has pointed out the Sherman v Tiger battle was really well done.

"Lt. Murphy was serving as company commander in the Holzwihr forest on 26 January 1945.  His unit had been completely decimated - he had 19 men left in his company that was once 128 strong - and had been assigned to hold the critical Colmar Pocket region from a German counterattack.  He had two M-10 tank destroyers attached to his unit, and was expecting and additional two companies of infantry to come cover his flank.

It was a cold, rainy morning when Lt. Murphy first noticed the battalion of German mechanized infantry heading towards his position.  Three companies of Nazi soldiers and half a dozen heavy Tiger tanks were bearing down on him.  Murphy radioed to HQ, only to find that the two companies of supporting infantry he was expecting to hold the flank were not going to arrive in time.  Audie was alone and outnumbered, but it was his duty to hold this position and he knew what he had to do.

He send his men back to take defensive positions behind him, and called the M-10s forward to take out some of the German armor.  Within minutes, both vehicles had been knocked out like chumps.  Now it was just Audie against an impossibly large force of German troops.  Instead of falling back to safety like a regular, sane person, Murphy instead jumped up and manned the .50 caliber machinegun mounted one of the burning, disabled M-10s.  He got on the radio with Command HQ and started calling in artillery strikes to hit the German positions.  Shells rained down, taking out Nazis all over the place, but it wasn't enough.  Lt. Murphy opened up the machinegun from his completely exposed position and stared mowing down Krauts left and right.  Artillery continued to pound the Germans while Murphy shot the sh*t out of them.  Before long the German losses were so great that the Tiger tanks had to pull back because they had lost most of their infantry support.  Audie continued to fire until he ran out of bullets, then dismounted the M-10 only seconds before the entire vehicle exploded.  He rallied his men, and the small group of Americans charged forward and routed the German forces.  The Colmar Pocket had held."

The crew of Fury only had to deal with one Tiger tank and they were still mobile ... and not on fire ... wusses :)

Not saying the events in Fury are an everyday story of American tankies, just that it's not as unbelievable as some seem to think.
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d_Guy

Quote from: fsn on 23 March 2016, 04:59:01 PM
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiger_131  :D



Thanks for that link fsn. Followed others from that page and learned that all of the tanks in Fury were provided by the Bovington Tank Museum! That would be something to see! Feeling the usual stirring that arises when wanting to do another period! Must resist!
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fsn

They have a "Fury"exhibit at Bovington now, and Tiger 131 is still to be seen.
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mart678

There is a picture in one of the many Concord press style books which shows a Sherman in Normandy actually called Fury and I though the film portrayed life in a Tank very well as even today they design them but forget the Crew need to actually live in them and carry there own kit like change of uniforms sleeping bags oh! almost forgot Food  :D :D

toxicpixie

And a kettle. Got to have tea! Having several British tank crew they've always been most chuffed at the expression on other nations crews faces when they pop out the hatch complete with freshly made, steaming hot tea :D
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mart678

ALL HAIL THE BV(boiling vessel) what a great addition to the British Army cook your food and Make nice cups of Tea or Coffee(depending on the crew)

toxicpixie

It's just such a good idea, an doubly so in the age of NBC warfare...
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To go with the forthcoming New Shermans...(although they would be  in a long queue!)...some Sherman track links and roadwheels...and Jerry cans racked in 3's would be nice!   ;)
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