ACW basing for black powder.

[getagrip]

That's because the writer wanted people to use their own figures and initiative...
Honest...

I'm okay with the principle but as I'm new to the period it makes things a little tricky.

I also want to avoid rebasing if possible. 

[Duke Speedy of Leighton]

That's why we've all had to agree base sizes with clubmates first, and why I've ended up with many pairs of armies!

[Westmarcher]

I've ordered the rules so I guess I'll have to decide when I read them.

Excellent plan.

I also want to avoid rebasing if possible.

I used to have oblong bases but found them unsatisfactory for march column, small and tiny units ......
My advice is go for square. Covers all formations. In my experience, I find that moving 4 square base units are just as quick as moving 3 oblong base units on the table top because fingers can grasp 2 bases at a time.

[getagrip]

Ta 

What do the rules actually say about basing?

[Rob]

Ta 

What do the rules actually say about basing?

BP recommends 40 by 40 with 4 infantry models 2 deep, and for cavalry 50 by 50 for 2 models. They do state though that they use other sizes as well and it makes no difference to the rules.

Gareth, I do not have the answer only you can decide, but here are some things to consider:

You are currently planning to use 10mm models with a set of rules designed for 28 or 15mm models.

This means a number of decisions:
Do you use the rules as they stand and use more figures to a base for that massed unit look, but use the 28/15 distances and ranges as they stand? Lots of painting.

Do you use the same amount of figures to a base but play on a smaller area, possibly halving the 28/15 distances and ranges? Only worh it if you really are restricted with table space.

Do you go for the same size tables but halving the 28/15 distances and ranges, to allow up to double the number of units and a bigger battle? This option can often make the chosen rules become very tedious as you will be doing roughly twice the amount of processing for each turn compared to the size of game the rules were designed for.

Cheers, Rob 

[Duke Speedy of Leighton]

Give me a minute
*rustling of books*

AVALANCHE!

Got an email?

[Fenton]

I think people using 6mm go for 60x30 basing

[Duke Speedy of Leighton]

Oh, we also tend to use 1cm = 1" in 10mm, it helps a huge amount!

[getagrip]

Hmm, still no clue. 

Might decide to go with what looks good.

Thanks gents.

[Duke Speedy of Leighton]

Gareth,
Email me at madlemmey at hotmail dot com

[Last Hussar]

Thanks.

I've read people basing on 20x20 four figs per base.  This seems ridiculously small to me.  I'll be moving the buggers all day!

My WSS are 6 on a 20mm base

If you are playing cm for inches 4x 30mm will be fine , and it makes it compatable with other rule sets. PP use 30m, F&F 28mm, TCHAE an inch but works fine with 30mm

[getagrip]

Gareth,
Email me at madlemmey at hotmail dot com

Okey dokey 

[Duke Speedy of Leighton]

Ta

[getagrip]

Ta

Thanks for the scans Will.

[Bunny]

Getagrip,

10mm ACW works really well in Black Powder, for distances we just use CMs instead of inches.

Base size is irrelevant in BP as long as the frontage is the same.  For my ACW, SYW and AWI I use 30x30 with 2 ranks of 4 figures, 3 bases to a standard unit, so 24 figures.  For my League of Augsburg I have gone with DBM(R) basing so I can use the armies under those rules as well, this does however cause very large units with lots of figures, 56 per regiment.

Enjoy the rules, they are great fun! lol

[getagrip]

Getagrip,

10mm ACW works really well in Black Powder, for distances we just use CMs instead of inches.

Base size is irrelevant in BP as long as the frontage is the same.  For my ACW, SYW and AWI I use 30x30 with 2 ranks of 4 figures, 3 bases to a standard unit, so 24 figures.  For my League of Augsburg I have gone with DBM(R) basing so I can use the armies under those rules as well, this does however cause very large units with lots of figures, 56 per regiment.

Enjoy the rules, they are great fun! lol

Thanks Bunny,

I've ordered BP and am eagerly awaiting my minis.  I agree with using cm instead of inches but that does make some of the ranges seem rather small. 

I've also been sent an ACW supplement,  which is superb!

My thanks to everyone for all the help and guidance. 

[Westmarcher]

I agree with using cm instead of inches but that does make some of the ranges seem rather small. 

Agree. I find cm at the short ranges, and on the ruler/measuring tape, just a tad too small for my liking so I use my own 2/3rds and half scale Quick Reference Sheets (in inches) for my 10mm and 15mm games. Many BP gamers do (in fact I got the idea from the Warlord Games BP forum). As you will find, BP ranges and movement rates are easily adaptable for 2/3rd and half scale measurements. Having the 3 scale options (full, 2/3rd and 1/2) plus the cm option, is useful for all sorts of situations (e.g., scenario specifics, size of table, minis, small or large battles).

[toxicpixie]

We play Pike & Shotte in cm's and it works nicely - units are based 60mm by 30mm for Marlbuians. Although we're moving to Maurice which means using two units side by side or (as I've done with new troops) two 30mm half bases, one for either side

Gareth, if and when you're sorted if you still want a bash on a Wed evening PM me and I'll sort a table and make sure I'm not occupied with family emergencies

[getagrip]

We play Pike & Shotte in cm's and it works nicely - units are based 60mm by 30mm for Marlbuians. Although we're moving to Maurice which means using two units side by side or (as I've done with new troops) two 30mm half bases, one for either side

Gareth, if and when you're sorted if you still want a bash on a Wed evening PM me and I'll sort a table and make sure I'm not occupied with family emergencies

Thanks Nathan.  I'm definitely going to take you up on that.

I may have some ACW painted up by then. 

[toxicpixie]

If you don't I can sub in 2mm Austro-Prussians, they're only a year out. And 3500miles...

You'll have to have read the rules though, if they're significantly different to Pike & Shotte

Otherwise can give Mitt Blud & Eisen a bash, it's good for Crimea this far