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[WeeWars]

Redesigning for Warmaster Siege

I got hold of an online copy of Warmaster Siege rules. As – I'm assuming – most gamers will want a 10mm fantasy castle to use with these rules, I'm amending the designs so that they conform with my reading of the rules.

Warmaster requires a castle model to be divided into sections 40 to 50mm wide.


Wall section

I'll amend the arch design on the walls so that two sections can stand alongside one another and the design will blend together.

A single wall section will now measure 48mm wide. There will also be a double wall section, measuring 96mm wide.

I'll also produce a ruined single wall section.

Tower

This stays the same. It measures 46mm wide at its base.

Towers should have an entrance at ground level. Adding one would mean having two different towers: a corner and a straight connector. This seems a shame and it may be better to simply assume that towers can be entered from ground level or a stick-on door can be included in the kit.

I'll also produce a ruined tower.

Gateway Tower

I'll extend the walls of the gateway to conform with the redesign of the wall sections so that it is 96mm wide. This - what is in effect a double section – doesn't count as such widthways but as a tower that accommodates a full three-base infantry unit: one on the ramparts, one in the tower, and one at the gate.

A broken door will also be included in the kit.

Sally Port

I'll produce a this as a marker that can be placed at any piece of wall to reveal that it is open.


That should cover all that's essential to play a siege game with the Warmaster rules.

Comments welcomed.

Cheers, Michael

[Bodvoc]

Hi Michael,
not all of us play Warmaster so I prefer the wider wall sections with the archways in one piece, sorry to throw a spanner into the works.

[fred.]

Redesigning for Warmaster Siege

I got hold of an online copy of Warmaster Siege rules. As – I'm assuming – most gamers will want a 10mm fantasy castle to use with these rules, I'm amending the designs so that they conform with my reading of the rules.

Warmaster requires a castle model to be divided into sections 40 to 50mm wide.

that might be quite a big assumption - I've played loads of WM, but we've never given the siege rules a run out. I'm not sure many people will want a 48mm long wall - it sounds very fiddly. But a 98mm would be quite good - unless you are playing Warband, then it will be just too small to get a stand on!!

I don't think there is an obvious length to go for, for walls.

The idea of stick on doors and sally ports sounds very useful though.

[toxicpixie]

I know it's very "forum specific" but I'd definitely go 100mm wide - or at least wide enough to fit a 100mm base, for Warband functionality... Would probably fit Impetus sized bases better as well. And Hail Ceaser? At least walls in multiples of about 50mm...

[Sandinista]

You could make more than 1 set to suit all tastes

cheers
Ian

[Womble67]

I know it's very "forum specific" but I'd definitely go 100mm wide - or at least wide enough to fit a 100mm base, for Warband functionality... Would probably fit Impetus sized bases better as well. And Hail Ceaser? At least walls in multiples of about 50mm...

Totally agree with 100mm wide.

Take care

Andy

[WeeWars]

Thanks for the comments so far.

For walls, you should be able to stand as many sections alongside one another to get whatever length you want without, hopefully, it being too different from the ideal. The importance of the smallest section is that it corresponds to the size not of your bases but of a breached section in your rules. 

I must admit I don't know any other fantasy siege rules aimed at 10mm figures. I would be interested to know how other rules handle size of towers, gateways and breached sections. I'm not aware that there are plans for Warband siege rules but I'd be similarly interested in knowing how big-base rules handle not just walls but also the other elements of a castle model because it may be that they'd need a different much larger design all of their own.

I'm not familiar with any consensus on the size of a 10mm Impetus or 10mm Hail Caesar base – except that there isn't a consensus?

[barbarian]

I guess you could do sections of 4 cm, 5 cm and 6cm (or any other lengths) so that the customer could compose his wall as he wish.
For big bases games, I guess you put the unit behind the wall.

[Ithoriel]

For big bases games, I guess you put the unit behind the wall.

Personally, I'd think a section of 10mm scale castle wall that could fit, for example, a Warband 100mm x 50mm base on top would look ludicrous so I can't imagine any other way of doing it.

As long as a breached section is the same size as a standard wall section I don't see what difference the actual size makes. Smaller is probably better, since as said before here you can add more wall sections. If they're too big, you can't take them away.

Unless you're doing skirmish games it's merely representative anyway.

[WeeWars]

Here's a ruined 48mm wall section showing the redesign of the wall ends that now allows wall sections to line up and make longer walls while keeping the design consistent.

I plan to produce two ruined 48mm wall section designs perhaps selling them together in a pack of two.

The cavity of the wall, which would have been filled with rubble, should be creatively filled in the model with broken up polystyrene, cat litter, or – as I have done – just grout filler and artists modelling paste.

After a adding a splash of filler/paste on the walls, I painted directly onto the MDF with a blend of just two colours from the cheap DecoArt acrylic range. I think my personal preference, though, would be for a less sombre brown sandstone version.

Let me know what you think.

Cheers, Michael

[Techno]

Stonking !!
Again !!
Cheers - Phil.

[toxicpixie]

You're making it very hard to resist

[WeeWars]

You're making it very hard to resist

Excellent!  Resistance is futile! ... that sounds like a siegey sort of thing to say.

[WeeWars]

Here are a couple of sally port marker contenders – I'll be going with the one on the right – designed to mark where defenders can sally forth and annoy besiegers. The sally ports are conveniently 'concealed' by wall buttresses.

[Duke Speedy of Leighton]

Just take our money!

[Bodvoc]

These are looking great.

[fred.]

Well, they are passable I suppose.





Who am I kidding - these are great again. I'm looking forward to a set of these.

[Maenoferren]

yep, saving up my pennies to get some of these

[WeeWars]

Update on 10mm Castle design progress:

I've now finished the main elements of the castle and will post pics of assembled kits some time over the weekend.

I've been hard at work hand drawing the stonework, stone by stone, to give a nice finish to the models.

The gateway has had a bit of a major overhaul and now has a working portcullis.

The kits should go on sale next week leaving me free to complete some Waterloo 3mm kits for June release.

Cheers, Michael

[Maenoferren]

slow down a bit I haven't saved many pennies yet