Chain of command 10mm

Started by Fenton, 26 January 2015, 09:39:06 PM

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Paint it Pink

Quote from: Fenton on 26 January 2015, 09:39:06 PM

When playing in 10mm do people use individual figures or bases for the infantry?

It's a good question and I think the answer is it depends.

Single mounted figures are great, but it gets too much hassle to move lots of them around the table-top.  Also, for me anyway, the figures have to represent something meaningful i.e: buddy team of two men, or a fire-team of four men etc, and therefore I base accordingly, which is probably a bit vague.

Marking casualties on mutli-figure bases is also a hassle, but less of a hassle than moving loads of individual figures, but YMMV.
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Quote from: Paint it Pink on 03 February 2015, 04:00:42 PMMarking casualties on mutli-figure bases is also a hassle, but less of a hassle than moving loads of individual figures, but YMMV.
I am experimenting with sabot bases, primarily for TFL's other skirmish game, Sharp Practice, which uses formations of men as much as individuals. I'm making them up from thick card, two or three layers (experimenting...) the lower one whole, the upper one(s) with holes in... As I use a standard 12mm washer base, it seems to work, but 10mm minis are very lightweight and keep falling off...  >:(  The double depth of holes may help with that.

getagrip

Quote from: Wulf on 03 February 2015, 04:12:03 PM
10mm minis are very lightweight and keep falling off...  >:(  The double depth of holes may help with that.

Could use a steel base plate and then glue the minis onto magnets?
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Quote from: getagrip on 03 February 2015, 04:50:43 PMCould use a steel base plate and then glue the minis onto magnets?
Yes, nice, the washers have holes you could fit very small rare earth magnets in to the base would still be more or less level... But I wasn't going to make the sabots square, and cutting steel plates into organic shapes may be tricky. Square/rectangular bases are the thing I like least about multi-figure bases (I'm fine with them in Sharp Practice, since the formation is meant to be rectangular).

Paint it Pink

Going slightly off tangent, but when you think about what is happening in real life, soldiers tend to go around in pairs.  He's your buddy and you stick together.  The Marines have a saying, "two is one, and one is none."  So with 10mm figures in mind I find that two fit very nicely on a one pence piece (British penny for any foreign friends reading this and going you what? – approximately 20mm in diameter), but while two men might make a good scout team, four or more men is what you need to start building up a plan of attack.  So I'm tending towards bases of four 10mm figures on a two-pence piece (approximately 25mm in diameter). 

Using four man fire-teams means one can build squads and one's platoon with between six to nine bases of troops plus separate command stands and support.  This is based on the assumption that one is playing platoon to company level actions.

If you want to play larger games one will need to either to move away from one figure equal one man, or have larger bases representing platoons, but this will mean less flexibility in how you move the formation on the table top.
Unlike some people, I feel under no obligation to pretend that only one war-gaming scale is true, and that any others 6mm/10mm/15mm/25mm are mistaken; or that I know better than people themselves what is right for them to use. The point is precisely for all war-gamers to decide for themselves.

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getagrip

Quote from: Wulf on 03 February 2015, 04:58:47 PM
Yes, nice, the washers have holes you could fit very small rare earth magnets in to the base would still be more or less level... But I wasn't going to make the sabots square, and cutting steel plates into organic shapes may be tricky. Square/rectangular bases are the thing I like least about multi-figure bases (I'm fine with them in Sharp Practice, since the formation is meant to be rectangular).

You can buy then ready cut; Fenton has a link.
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Quote from: Fenton on 26 January 2015, 09:39:06 PM

When playing in 10mm do people use individual figures or bases for the infantry?

Cheers

Mine are about to get their baptism of CoC SCW Espana! This Saturday.

All are individually based, less LMG/HMG and other 'team weapons on 25mm MDF bases. Whilst I wont be doing a batrep, I will post a few thoughts afterward and possibly a phto or two for perspective.

To be honest I don't think the scale will make any difference. CoC works well in 15mm with individually based figures and the ground scale conversion is almost real at that scale. Most of my terrain is 15mm too so I think it will work fine.

Can't wait to get this played!
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Quote from: Wulf on 28 January 2015, 08:31:24 PM


Small AT Guns I base on a 1p, with 1 figure (kneeling). The other gun crew are individually based, but 2-3 of them are on 'crescent moon' shaped bases made out of cardboard to fit as close as possible to the gun. One thing I don't like about individual figures is the way it spreads weapon teams & crew out too much. As I game the Fall of France & Barbarossa, I haven't had the need to go up to a 2p base for guns so far, although I do have an 88 Flak gun on a 1" square base...

I used a 5 cent (eurocent that is) for my mg teams, and have suitable separate minis for the team on the move. When there are no separate 'moving ' figures available, i just stick with the bigger base and add a marker when a crewman dies. This is for USE ME wwII though, not CoC.

Nosher

Small Batrep here - just a few photos as I was concentrating on the rules.

In terms of how CoC Converts to 10mm and single basing, i think it felt fine. In terms of command radius, when you start messing with base sizes you may need to change command radius to boot which i think may have an effect on the game.

This felt right because there is no shooting through friends in CoC. Multi-figure bases would be tricky applying this rule and will alter gameplay significantly if you allow all figures to shoot.

One issue was the footprint of buildings which are quite small and figures based on 25mm bases took up quite a bit more room.

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Good report of an interesting game, certainly didn't seem to be the Republican's day ;)
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Sunjester has individual bases.
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I based everything individually, even heavy weapons crews, worked like a champ.  Pics below, pics of some games at the link
http://blackhawkhet.blogspot.com/search/label/Chain%20of%20Command





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I dont like round bases, so use board game counters - 1/2" square. These work for 10mm and 6mm.

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