Warband Rules!

[Orcs]

I was quite excited to see these being released, then I read the comments on base sizes and the use of base widths and was dissapointed.  

It seems (to me)  unwise to use sizes that do not use multiples of the 40mm x 20mm base size that seems to be the  most common  for 10/15mm figures. particuarly when the play testing was done with this size base. I appreciate that most of us can apply the logic of just using 4 warmaster bases per unit, but its a shame this was not done in the rules.

My other bugbear is the use of Base widths for measurement.  It does not remove the need for a ruler or tape measure and just adds to complexity, thus slowing the game down.  

Orcs

[Ithoriel]

At first glance I'm not seeing anything in the rules that would shift me from Warmaster to be honest but I am open to being convinced. I am, however, looking forward to the new figures and keeping my fingers crossed that the Balori (or whatever they wind up being called) make it into production.

[brothercrow]

We have played numerous test games using 4 x DBx/HotT bases, and even with the variable base depths, they work exceedingly well. We found four x foot bases (whether 15mm depth or 20mm depth) and two x Cavalry bases is about right. Warmaster bases would be about the same I guess...

I'm probably biased, as I've been involved in the testing, but it is a solid fun game, very much decision based and played to conclusion in a couple of hours. It can be quite tense at times in a DBx sort  of way, though the rules mechanics are very different. Table size, well it is defined in base widths/depths, but we found 6x4 works well when units have 8cm to 10cm frontage.

I'll certainly be picking up a copy (and probably a new army) when released!

[Subedai]

I don't normally get involved in discussions like this but this particular issue but...well, read on.

I don't know anything and haven't read anything about these rules but reading some of the comments on this thread has left me a little annoyed. I always thought that wargamers were a very open minded and adaptable bunch of people but dismissive comments using base sizes as an argument seems a little petty to me.
Has anybody who commented negatively actually tried them yet?
I assume that some if not all of the playtesters frequent this forum so how about comments from them? Do the basic mechanics work okay, does the game flow, are the rules relatively easy to follow? These should be the major issues, not bl**dy base sizes!
As others have said, 4 of 40x20 should/will work okay so what the hell is the problem?

Sorry, it just really got my goat!

Rant over.

(Just read brothercrow's recent comment but I'm going to post this anyway.)

[Aquahog]

Why are base widths an issue? Just do a quick reference (or ask for one, the internet is nice and willing) with the ranges in centimeters if you can't be bothered to multiply with ten or your own base width equivalence.

[brothercrow]

I find a nice 4BW stick marked at 1 width intervals helps... ;-)

[Techno]

And are the resculpts Techno's secret project?

Yup !! 

If it is  how does Techno feel going back to his roots by sculpting 10mm fantasy again?

Thoroughly enjoying it, Steve ! 

Cheers - Phil

[Leman]

Quite pleased I haven't currently got any fantasy armies based up. This might be a fun way to game late C15th fantasy Italian condotta, for which I have, as yet, unsullied figures.

Cheers Bob

[Ithoriel]

I don't normally get involved in discussions like this but this particular issue but...well, read on.

As others have said, 4 of 40x20 should/will work okay so what the hell is the problem?

Sorry, it just really got my goat!

Rant over.

4 of 40x20 is a problem because I have several large armies which are painted and organised in units of 3 bases.

I find the current fad for Base Width measurements an irritation. Yes, I can knock up a quick ref chart in a few minutes but it's one more reason not to change from whatever rules I'm using. I know, I know, old dogs ... new tricks and all that

The pages posted don't look to be doing anything particularly new or interesting. A solid and well laid out set without a doubt but nothing to drag me away from Warmaster.

I play comparatively few tabletop miniatures games these days so when I do I prefer to use rules we all know to maximize playing time. That said, if something new and innovative turns up then as a group we'll give it a go.

New figures, however, I'll happily add to the ridiculously large pile of unpainted figures I already have :-)

[WeeWars]

4 of 40x20 is a problem because I have several large armies which are painted and organised in units of 3 bases.

Yes, that is a problem. Whether we like it or not, our games begin with figures glued onto bases. But for anyone wanting to use their existing Warmaster armies it's more a problem of unit size rather than a reluctance to use sabot bases.

A solution that jumps into my mind would be to use only 2 Warmaster bases, making both cavalry and infantry 'bases' 40 x 40mm.

[toxicpixie]

For Fantasy impetus I've used either two stands next to each other, or three - two front, one behind or reversed for "wedges" like knights. Looks quite good, gives quite a sort of organic look as the lines thin and thicken around the commanders etc.

[Westmarcher]

Rebasing, rebasing. If I rebased every time a new rules set came out, I would never have played any new rules (I learned that after the fourth time ..... )

Gentlemen!. We are wargamers and we will overcome!

[altogether now  ... ]
We shall overcoawwwmme, we shall over caww-umm, we shall overcawwmme these roo-oo-oo-ools, becozz deep in our hearts, we are old farts wargamers, we shall etc.....

[btw, every time I type in 'wargamers' the auto-correct on my computer changes it to 'warmers'  ....... such insubordination! ... .... what is it trying to tell me?  ]

[Bodvoc]

Rules from Pendraken is an exciting step forward, I am certainly interested in the Warband rules. My Fantasy 10mm are on 6x3cm bases (Impetus and Sword and Spear)and I will just use those for my games. When is the release date? and what is the probable cost?  Bring em' on!

[Chieftain]

When is the release date? and what is the probable cost?  Bring em' on!

Hi Bodvoc, the hard copy rules are currently at the printers, so release date is 'as soon as possible'.

As well as the printed copies (to be available through the Pendraken website, priced at £16), there will also be pdf versions available through Wargame Vault (release date and price to be confirmed).

[Fenton]

No chance them being on Amazon?

I got a voucher for Xmas and I cant decide what to do with it

[Bodvoc]

£16, i'm in! and thanks for the prompt reply. Anychance they will be on sale at Vapnartak in York?

[toxicpixie]

If you've got them in hand for WMMMS I might part with some cash after a flick thru

Sadly, we're about comfortable with Impetus Fantasy so it'll be an impulse "ahhh g'wan then!" purchase if I do

[Orcs]

4 of 40x20 is a problem because I have several large armies which are painted and organised in units of 3 bases.

I find the current fad for Base Width measurements an irritation. Yes, I can knock up a quick ref chart in a few minutes but it's one more reason not to change from whatever rules I'm using. I know, I know, old dogs ... new tricks and all that

The pages posted don't look to be doing anything particularly new or interesting. A solid and well laid out set without a doubt but nothing to drag me away from Warmaster.

I play comparatively few tabletop miniatures games these days so when I do I prefer to use rules we all know to maximize playing time. That said, if something new and innovative turns up then as a group we'll give it a go.

New figures, however, I'll happily add to the ridiculously large pile of unpainted figures I already have :-)

I have agree with Ithoriel.  especially about the need to add new shiny figure to my lead pile.

That said I wish Pendraken all the best with the rules, just that they will probably not "float my boat"

[Sandinista]

I don't normally get involved in discussions like this but this particular issue but...well, read on.

I don't know anything and haven't read anything about these rules but reading some of the comments on this thread has left me a little annoyed. I always thought that wargamers were a very open minded and adaptable bunch of people but dismissive comments using base sizes as an argument seems a little petty to me.
Has anybody who commented negatively actually tried them yet?
I assume that some if not all of the playtesters frequent this forum so how about comments from them? Do the basic mechanics work okay, does the game flow, are the rules relatively easy to follow? These should be the major issues, not bl**dy base sizes!
As others have said, 4 of 40x20 should/will work okay so what the hell is the problem?

Sorry, it just really got my goat!

Rant over.

(Just read brothercrow's recent comment but I'm going to post this anyway.)

I was thinking the same thing

[Luddite]

I am, however, looking forward to the new figures and keeping my fingers crossed that the Balori (or whatever they wind up being called) make it into production.

I'm itching to get my mitts on these little fellows too!