Warband Rules!

[nikharwood]

We're looking at £25-£30 per army at the moment, I just need to finalise the army pack compositions.  There will be a deal for two armies plus rules as well

Most excellent 

[Upgraydd]

This is sounding really good, it may be just the thing to get me back to 10mm. I have a couple of questions I couldn't find on the FAQ on these pages;

Will the army packs be sold with bases or will we need to buy these separately?

Will bases be removed after a number of hits/wounds are scored against it? How will hits be recorded? The reason I'm asking is a lot of us like to make min diorama wound markers and we could get started on this while we wait.

Cheers,
Jez

[Techno]

As that was your first post, Jez.
Welcome to the forum !!
Cheers - Phil.

[Leon]

Thanks for the reply and welcome to the Forum!

Will the army packs be sold with bases or will we need to buy these separately?

The army packs will have the bases included with them, but the individual packs will not.  We'll have bases for sale separately as well a range of other gaming aids.

Will bases be removed after a number of hits/wounds are scored against it? How will hits be recorded? The reason I'm asking is a lot of us like to make min diorama wound markers and we could get started on this while we wait.

EDITED: As Chieftain has posted a better reply below!

[Chieftain]

This is sounding really good, it may be just the thing to get me back to 10mm. I have a couple of questions I couldn't find on the FAQ on these pages;

Will the army packs be sold with bases or will we need to buy these separately?

Will bases be removed after a number of hits/wounds are scored against it? How will hits be recorded? The reason I'm asking is a lot of us like to make min diorama wound markers and we could get started on this while we wait.

Cheers,
Jez

Hi Upgraydd (and welcome to the forum!)

Leon covered the basing question perfectly.

Recording hits and morale loss.  
The rules don't specify how you do this as each player will no doubt have their own preferences.  During a game turn you will need to record hits as they are accrued from shooting, melee, magic, and other effects.  These are temporary.  Then there's the permanent loss of morale that will need to be recorded.

The most elegant way we've found to do this during playtesting is to model each base with a dice frame (from Minibits).  

You can see that here.


(Note, we also found that a second dice on the commander and magic user unit is useful to herd up the command point and magic point markers).

The dice in the picture shows remaining morale.  Units don't have 'wounds' as such, but its the same thing - how much punishment it takes before becoming combat ineffective.

We recorded accrued hits behind the base with small tokens.  However, I heartily recommend making some lovely casualty markers.  There isn't much need for other markers, but we have found that it can be useful to add in one or two for specific battlefield conditional modifiers.  For example, a unit that makes a direct charge into melee gains combat bonuses, and a nicely modelled 'charge bonus' token might be useful every now and then, especially mid-game when the chaos and bedlam of melee is really kicking off...

If you don't like battlefield clutter you could have a paper record, or some other method; whatever works for you.  
Again, making the rules flexible so players can do things their way was important to us.

Are bases removed from the battlefield?  

Ultimately yes, but morale collapse (unit reduced to zero) means the unit routs.  Its only if the unit doesn't rally before fleeing off-table, or gets run down by enemies while routing that it's actually removed.  

Part of the tactical skill in the game is getting into positions where you can sweep your routed enemies from the field.  Letting them escape into the backfield only to have their general rally them and get them back into the battle is most frustrating!

And frankly, the 100x50mm bases with your amazing and lovingly modelled diorama units on will no doubt look so good that it seems a shame to sweep them off the board so easily eh (even if they are running away)?

[Duke Speedy of Leighton]

Hello and welcome Jez!

[Ithoriel]

Nothing new under the sun I see

I've been working on a set of rules, tentatively called "King of Kish," for Sumerian City State warfare.

60mm square bases with lots of 6mm figures (48 for formed units, 32 for warband types, 16 for skirmishers) who have what I call "cohesion" as their "hit point" equivalent. At 0 Cohesion the unit routs but can be rallied unless it leaves the table or is contacted by an enemy unit. Cohesion is marked with a 5mm dice in a dice frame (another order heading your way soon Leon ) and units remain on table unless they rout off or are "Scattered" by contact.

Formed units were originally going to be 60 strong but Rapier do units of 48 so I decided my units would be suffering 3D effects - Disease, Desertion and Detachments Besides 60 men would really need 80mm wide bases, so I can get more on the table this way.

I thought I was coming up with something novel!

[Upgraydd]

Thanks all for the welcomes and the quick, clear responses.

I like the dice frame idea and will definitely incorporate it into my bases. I think modelled combat tokens will be the way to go, they make it easy for onlookers to see what's going on and look good for pictures when doing AAR's.

Jez

[Luddite]

Can't wait to see them Jez!   

[Leon]

Just arrived now!



We picked up the QRS sheets today as well, so we just need to get a load of them packaged up and we'll have them on sale at York on Sunday!

[toxicpixie]

Shiny!

[Leon]

And in typical Sod's Law, the clear cellophane envelopes we'd bought to put the rules in arrived as well... and they've sent us the wrong size.    

We've got a backup option, but they don't look as nice and shiny in a gripseal bag.  

[Chieftain]

They look great Leon!

And just in time for York too. 

[Roy]

Does that mean we can't thumb through them before purchase, if they're all in bags?
Or will there be a display copy on the stand?

[cbr3d.com]

Hi Leon,

When will us poor bu**ers who can't get to York be able to order one?  (Damned stupid Sunday train timetables.     )

[Leon]

Does that mean we can't thumb through them before purchase, if they're all in bags?
Or will there be a display copy on the stand?

There'll be a copy on the show stand, no worries there. 

When will us poor bu**ers who can't get to York be able to order one?  (Damned stupid Sunday train timetables.     )

We're just waiting on the webguy to add a 'Non-VAT' function to the website (as rules don't have any VAT on them), so we're hoping that's done by Monday/Tuesday and then we're good to go.

[nikharwood]

Shiny +1

[Upgraydd]

Excellent! Looks like I tuned into the ways of the Pendraken just in time...now the wait to get them to the other side of the world once I place my order.

[fsn]

Leon! Leon! LEEEON!

Another person from a flung part of the world. Put away the pigeons and get out the homing albatross!

[petercooman]