LOA Cuirassier

[Bunny]

Hi Guys,

I am looking for some knowledge and advise on the armoured Cuirassier regiments involved in this conflict.

Which countries used them, I believe Bavaria and Austria and does anyone have any links to web pages that provide uniform guides or illustrations?  Also any web pages that provide uniform guides for this period would be appreciated.

Thanks

Bunny

[clibinarium]

Intended for Bavaria and Austria, and some of the smaller German  states may have used them too. The musician's headgear is specifically Austrian, but a trumpeter in a hat can be substituted for other contingents. Earl of Oxford's horse wore helmets up to about 1689/90 so can be used for this regiment too (though the helmet isn't quite right);

English style (painted as Oxford's);


Germanic style


Difference is too slight to justify another pack in 10mm in my view.

[Duke Speedy of Leighton]

Guessing those are not 10mm Clib?

[mollinary]

Guessing those are not 10mm Clib?

I think you may have a point ML!   

Mollinary

[clibinarium]

True, they aren't 10s. I did sculpt them though so I hope the owner won't mind me swiping the photos.

[Techno]

Really love those !
Cheers - Phil

[Bunny]

Clib,

Where do you get your uniform information please

[Chad]

Bunny

I have most of the Editions Brokaw booklets published in the 80s. They cover quite a few of the smaller states. If I can be of help let me know.

Chad

[Hertsblue]

You'll probably find the War of the Spanish Succession (i.e. Marlburian) books by C.S. Grant from Caliver Books useful. There were less than twenty years between the wars.

[clibinarium]

If you want one book on the uniforms of the period you could have a look at "From pike to Shot" by Grant. Its packed with info, the only thing it lacks really is flags. Not the most up to date, but still dependable.

The gold standard is probably Robert Hall's work on armies of the period which are available on CD from Baccus, they are pricey though; I'm still considering whether I can afford the latest set on the Dutch; its about 50 quid.
Also if you can get them, Mark Allen did a nice series of articles on the period in Wargames Illustrated, covering the British, Dutch, Irish Jacobites, and French (but stopping short of their cavalry and dragoons), which I love because he did them in the 90s when I was a still a kid and the sight of one of those articles was my first inspiration on the period. WI were selling the collected articles on a CD for 30 quid a while back, don't know if they still are.

[Chad]

Bunny

I have reviewed all the information I have covering the following armies:

Prussian, Dutch, Danish, Saxon, Palatinate, Cologne, Franconia, Swabia, Ansbach, Wurzburg, Holstein-Gottorf, Mecklenburg-Schwerin,
Hesse-Darmstadt, Hesse-Kassel and the Upper Rhine Circle.

It seems that in almost all cases Cuirassier did not wear the full helmet and breastplate, with the headgear being a hat with a steel skull cap underneath. I have only found 2 definite descriptions of units equipped the helmet and breastplate and 1 possible. Cost of the armour appears to have been the main issue; in fact one of the smaller states fitted the Cuirassier with leather breastplates because of cost.

The 2 definites are:

Franconian Regt Erbprinz von Bayreuth - White/Grey coat lined red,leather waistcoat and breeches, blackened cuirass and helmet, shabraque red edged white.

Wurzburg Cuirassier - White/Grey coat lined red, leather breeches, blackened cuirass and helmet.

The possibles are the 2 Swabian Cuirassier Regts, the information is sketchy as to whether or not they wore helmet and breastplate but reference is made to them having been purchased.

If it's of any help I also have the uniform information for the 4 Bavarian and 21 Austrian Cuirassier Regts.

Chad

[Bunny]

Thanks Guys,

Chad very helpfull mate.  One question for you did the Bavarian cuirrassier still wear armour and helmet?

[Chad]

Bunny

According to my information, yes, similar to the Austrians

Let me know if I can be of any further help

Chad

[Bunny]

Chad sorry to be a pain but do you have colour schemes for the Swabian and Bavarians please.....

Thank you!

[Chad]

Yes. Will post tomorrow.

[Techno]

I know we often go off at complete tangents, and play silly sods.....But this is where this forum is absolutely brilliant..... For getting great info from really helpful folk !!
Cheers - Phil

[Chad]

Bunny

Information as follows:

Bavarian Cuirassier
Source - "Danes, Bavarians and Prussians" (P Condray for Editions Brokaw 1986)

Organisation - 3 squadrons of 150-200 officers and men.

Foth Regiment - Light Gray coat with Carmine cuffs. Leather vest and trousers. Officers and musicians in reversed colours. Shabraque carmine with white edging. Scabbards brown leather, belts buff and cartridge box black leather.

Costa Regiment - As for Foth

Wolframsdorf Regimentt - Light Gray coat with Light Green cuffs and vest. Leather trousers. Officers and musicians in reversed colours. Shabraque Light Green with white edging. Other details as for Foth

Arco Regiment - Light Grey coat with Light Blue cuffs and vest. Leather trousers. Officers and musicians in reversed colours. Shabraque Light Blue with white edging. Other details as for Foth.

It is not clear from my information if musicians wore a helmet or a hat.

Swabian Cuirassiers
Source - "The Armies of the Imperial Circles of Swabia and Franconia as well as the Bishopric of Wurzburg and the Margravate of Ansbach" August Kuhn - Editions Brokaw 1989

Swabian Kreis Reiter Regt #1
Commanders - 1683-91 Count Johann Franz von Bronkhorst zu Gronsfeld
                    1692-1704 Johann Friedrich Schenk von Stauffenburg
                    1704-1736 Count Eustachius Maria Fugger

Organisation - 8 companies of 70-74 men each

Dark Grey coat with red cuffs. Dark Grey trousers. Musicians in reversed colours. Shabraque red with white edging


Swabian Kreis Reiter Regt #2
Commanders - 1683-87 Quirrin von Huehnstett
                    1687-98 Duke Ludwig von Wurttemburg
                    1698-1731 Prince Friedrich Ludwig von Wurttemburg

Organisation - 8 companies of 7--74 men each

Light Grey coat with red cuffs. Light grey trousers. Musicians in reversed colours. Shabraque Yellow with white edging.

The Swabian uniform information is not as detailed as some of my other information, but hope it helps.

Chad

[Bunny]

Thanks Chad very helpful.

The first regiment of cuirassiers are almost complete, hopefully pics tomorrow

[paulr]

I know we often go off at complete tangents, and play silly sods.....But this is where this forum is absolutely brilliant..... For getting great info from really helpful folk !!
Cheers - Phil

Seconded, although most of the tangents are pretty entertaining as well 

[Bunny]

Finished a unit of Franconian cuirassier, does anyone have any flags for these units?  I've seen the. 7YW infantry ones on the project wiki and the sylised 'FC' will work for one but what about the other?

Thanks