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Wkeyser
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« on: 23 June 2010, 08:06:24 AM »

So here is a propossal for the range that I am pushing for.
William

French Infantry               Figure Variants

FI10   Ligne in Tarleton            3 march attack
FI11   Elite in Tarleton            3 march attack
FI12   Command in Tarleton            3 officers, 1 flag, 1 drummer
FI13   Ligne Skirmishers in Tarleton         2 firing, 2 loading
FI14   Elite Skirmishers in Tarleton         2 firing, 2 loading

FI20   Ligne in Bicorne            3 march attack
FI21   Elite in Bicorne            3 march attack
FI22   Command in Bicorne            3 officers, 1 flag, 1 drummer
FI23   Ligne Skirmishers in Bicorne         2 firing, 2 loading
FI24   Elite Skirmishers in Bicorne         2 firing, 2 loading

FI30   Ligne in Forage Cap            2 march attack
FI31   Elite in Forage Cap            2 march attack
FI32   Line in forage cap skirmishing         2 firing, 2 loading
FI33   Elite in Forage cap skirmishing         2 firing, 2 loading

FI40   Elite in Bearskin            3 march attack
FI41   Command in Bearskin            2 officers, 1 drummer
FI42   Elite Skirmishers in Bearskin         2 firing, 2 loading

FI50   Legere in Mirliton            3 march attack
FI51   Legere Elite in Mirliton            3 march attack
FI52   Legere Command in Mirliton         3 officers (in bicornes), 1 flag, 1 drummer
FI53   Legere Skirmishers in Mirliton         2 firing, 2 loading
FI54   Legere Elite Skirmishersin Mirliton                      2 firing, 2 loading

FI60   Legere in Shako            3 march attack
FI61   Legere Elite in Shako            3 march attack
FI62   Legere Command in Shako         3 officers (in bicornes), 1 flag, 1 drummer
FI63   Legere Skirmishers in Shako         2 firing, 2 loading
FI64   Legere Elite Skirmishersin Shako                      2 firing, 2 loading

FI61   Legere Elite in Colback            3 march attack
FI64   Legere Elite Skirmishersin Colback                       2 firing, 2 loading


FI55   Ragged in various    /vendee         march attack from all above and civ hats
FI56   Ragged in various               Skirmishing.

3 march attack poses
3 march attack elite (just add epuletts and sword)
4 firing poses
4 firing poses elite  (just add epuletts and sword)
4 officers poses
2 drummers
4 flag bears

Heads
Bicorn fore and aft
Bicorn en battle
Rev helmet
Forge cap
Bearskin
Colback
Shako side plume
Mirlitron

Each officer has various added, back pack, valise etc.
Each master with different canteen. Add cantten same time as add heads!
One pack of ragged, civilian clothes in March attack and firing and loading. Vendee
Take one of the completed sets and add all sorts of misc on the figs, bread. Also make marker figs so a couple running away, some wonded, some helping wounded some dead.


Austrian Infantry               Figure Variants (58)

AI10   German Fusiliers in Casquet         3 march attack
AI11   German Command in Casquet         3 officers (in bicornes), 1 flag, 1 drummer
AI12   German Skirmishers in Casquet         2 firing, 2 loading

AI20   Hungarian Fusiliers / Grenz in Casquet                   3 march attack
AI21   Hungarian Command in Casquet                      3 officers (in bicornes), 1 flag, 1 drummer
AI22   Hungarian Skirmishers in Casquet                      2 firing, 2 loading

AI30   German Grenadiers in Bearskin         3 march attack
AI31   German Command in Bearskin         2 officers, 1 flag, 1 drummer
AI32   German Grenadiers skirmishing         2 firing 2 loading

AI40   Hungarian Grenadiers in Bearskin                      3 march attack
AI41   Hungarian Command in Bearskin                      2 officers, 1 flag, 1 drummer

AI50   Jaegers in Corsehut            3 march attack
AI51   Jaeger Command in Corsehut         2 officers, 1 drummer
AI52   Jaeger Skirmishers in Corsehut         2 firing, 2 loading

AI60   Grenz in Klobuk            3 march attack
AI61   Grenz Command in Klobuk         2 officers, 1 drummer
AI62   Grenz Skirmishers in Klobuk         2 firing, 2 loading

Foot command pack consisting of various commanders Brigade and higher, at least 10 different officers.. Diorama ideas.
Also make marker figs so a couple running away, some wounded, some helping wounded some dead.

3 march attack
3 march attack Hungarian
4 firing
4 firing Hungarian
3 march attack grenadiers
3 march attack grenadiers Hungarian
4 officers poses
2 drummers
4 flag bears

Heads
Casquet
Bearskin
Corsehut
Klobuk

Same uniform but has belt so cannot be used for later uniforms line + grenadiers the same.


Piedmontese Infantry               Figure Variants
Prussian 1806 uniform

PI10   Fusiliers               3 march attack
PI11    Fusiliers firing            2 firing, 2 loading
PI12   Command               2 officers, 1 flag, 1 drummer
   Grenadiers               Use Austrian figures
These can be complete enough to be Prussians. So various officers etc.

3 March attack
4 firing
4 officers
2 drummers
4 standard
Mounted officers and foot officers Brigadiers etc.


French Cavalry               Figure Variants

FC10   Chasseurs in Tarleton            4 troopers, officer, bugler (charging)
FC11   Chasseurs in Mirliton            4 troopers, officer, bugler (charging)
FC12   Hussars in Pelise, Mirliton         4 troopers, officer, bugler (charging)
FC13   Dragoons in Helmet            4 troopers, officer, bugler (charging)
FC14   Cavalrie in Bicorne            4 troopers, officer, bugler (charging)

FC20   Chasseurs in Tarleton            2 troopers, officer, bugler (at rest)
FC21   Chasseurs in Mirliton            2 troopers, officer, bugler (at rest)
FC22   Hussars in Pelise, Mirliton         2 troopers, officer, bugler (at rest)
FC23   Dragoons in Helmet            2 troopers, officer, bugler (at rest)
FC24   Cavalrie in Bicorne            2 troopers, officer, bugler (at rest)

FC30   Skirmishing Chasseurs in Tarleton                      2 firing, 2 loading
FC31   Skirmishing Chasseurs / Hussars in Mirliton                   2 firing, 2 loading
FC32   Skirmishing Dragoons            2 firing, 2 loading

FC40   Dismounted Chasseurs in Tarleton                      2 firing, 2 loading
FC41   Dismounted Chasseurs / Hussars in Mirliton                   2 firing, 2 loading
FC42   Dismounted Dragoons            2 firing, 2 loading

Cav on Foot skirmishing firing, loading, priming, and officers
Dead  and woundedfrom each type of cav. At least 4 for each.
Dead Horses

Chasseurs uniform trooper 2 sitting
Chasseurs uniform trooper charging 4
Chassuers officers sitting 2 charging 4
Chasseurs bugler 2 sitting 2 charging
Chasseurs firing from sadel 4
Dismounted Chasseurs firing 4 variations

Hussar uniform trooper 2 sitting
Hussar uniform trooper charging 4
Hussar officers sitting 2 charging 4
Hussar bugler 2 sitting 2 charging
Hussar firing from sadel 4
Dismounted Hussar firing 4 variations

Dragoon uniform trooper 2 sitting
Dragoon uniform trooper charging 4
Dragoon officers sitting 2 charging 4
Dragoon bugler 2 sitting 2 charging
Dragoon firing from sadel 4
Dismounted dragoon firing 4 variations

Cavalry uniform trooper 2 sitting
Cavalry uniform trooper charging 4
Cavalry officers sitting 2 charging 4
Cavalry bugler 2 sitting 2 charging


Heads
Mirlitron
Shako side plume
Shako front plume
Dragoons
Bicorn

Officers


Horses saddle cloth added. With or with out figure this is question for caster.
Horses Masters
4 Standing light horses
4 Charging light Horses
4 Standing heavy horses
4 charging heavy horses
6 officer horses
4 dead horses



Austrian Cavalry               Figure Variants

AC10   Chevaulegers in Casquet         4 troopers, officer, bugler (charging)
AC11   Hussars in Pelise, Cylindrical Shako?                      4 troopers, officer, bugler (charging)
AC12   Dragoons in Bicorne            4 troopers, officer, bugler (charging)
AC13   Cuirassiers in Bicorne            4 troopers, officer, bugler (charging)
AC14   Uhlans in Czapska            4 troopers, officer, bugler (charging)

AC20   Chevaulegers in Casquet         2 troopers, officer, bugler (at rest)
AC21   Hussars in Pelise, Cylindrical Shako?                      2 troopers, officer, bugler (at rest)
AC22   Dragoons in Bicorne            2 troopers, officer, bugler (at rest)
AC23   Cuirassiers in Bicorne            2 troopers, officer, bugler (at rest)
AC24   Uhlans in Czapska            2 troopers, officer, bugler (at rest)

AC30   Skirmishing Chevaulegers in Casquet      2 firing, 2 loading
AC31   Skirmishing Hussars in Cylindrical Shako?                   2 firing, 2 loading
AC32   Skirmishing Dragoons in Bicorne                      2 firing, 2 loading


AC30   Dismounted Chevaulegers in Casquet      2 firing, 2 loading
AC31   Dismounted Hussars in Cylindrical Shako?                   2 firing, 2 loading
AC32   Dismounted Dragoons in Bicorne                      2 firing, 2 loading


Light cav skirmishing Hussars firing from the saddle, one firing, one loading, one priming.
Light Cav on Foot skirmishing firing, loading, priming.


Piedmontese Cavalry
Use Austrian figures

French Artillerists            Figure Variants

FA10   Foot Artillery in Bicorne/ tarleton/forge cap   6 poses (loading)
FA11   Foot Artillery in Bicorne/ tarleton/forge cap   6 poses (firing)
FA12 Foot Artillery in Bicorne/ tarleton/forge cap   6 poses (Running gun up)

FA20   Horse Artillery in Tarleton      6 poses (loading)
FA21   Horse Artillery in Tarleton      6 poses (firing)
FA22 Horse Artillery in Tarleton         6 poses (Running gun up)

FA30   Horse Artillery in Mirliton      6 poses (loading)
FA31   Horse Artillery in Mirliton      6 poses (firing)
FA32   Horse Artillery in Mirliton      6 poses (Running gun up

French Artillery Equipment
FE1   4 pdr Cannon
FE2   8 pdr Cannon
FE3   12 pdr Cannon
FE4   6 inch Howitzer
FE5   Limber, 4-6 horses, Civilian Drivers
FE6   Caisson, 4-6 horses, Civilian Drivers

Austrian Artillerists            Figure Variants (12 or 24)

AA10   Artillerists in Hat         6 poses (loading)
AA11   Artillerists in Hat         6 poses (firing)
AA12   Artillerists in Hat         6 poses (Running gun up))


AA20   Artillerists in Corsehut         6 poses (loading)
AA21   Artillerists in Corsehut         6 poses (firing)
AA22   Artillerists in Corsehut         6 poses (Running gun up))

   Handlanger infantry helper

Austrian Artillery Equipment
AE1   3 pdr Cannon
AE2   6 pdr Foot Cannon
AE3   6 pdr Cavalry Cannon
AE4   12 pdr Cannon
AE5   6 inch Howitzer
AE6   Limber, 4-6 horses, Civilian Drivers
AE7   Limber, 3 horses, for Cavalry Cannon
AE8   Caisson, 4-6 horses, Civilian Drivers

Piedmontese Artillerists
Use Austrian figures

Piedmontese Artillery Equipment
Use Austrian models

Mounted Commanders

FG1   French Generals (10)
FG2   French Regimental Officers and ADC's (10)

AG1   Austrian Generals (10)
AG2   Austrian Regimental Officers and ADC's (10)

10 commanders on foot.
10 Division commanders
5 Higher command


Casualties and Markers
casualties, routers, wrecked artillery, downed horses, etc. (6 total?)
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von Winterfeldt
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« Reply #1 on: 23 June 2010, 09:08:21 AM »

Neither line in Tarleton nor line in forage cap are an issue for 1796 - 1797 - most infantry did wear the hat, light infantry including.

The forage cap was worn only sporadically and the Tarleton or casque was fading out.

The casque would be nice for 1792 to 1794 though - but not essential for the Italian campaign

The Rovatti collection (showing French in Italy) give all light infantry hats.

In my view the mirliton and or shako comes up later - more likley for the second Italian campaign.

Bicornes were worn for and aft, othterwise you cannot shoulder the musket.

For the cavalry I would like to see standard bearers as well.
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Wkeyser
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« Reply #2 on: 23 June 2010, 09:19:34 AM »

Hi von Winterfeldt
I agee with most of your comments however the varity would be so that the range can capture both earlier and even all the way up to 1806, the only real issue for the French is lenght of coat but not really an issue in 10mm. This should all be easily done with head swaps during the modeling phase. So make the masters with out heads, make heads separtly and then put together to make a huge varity of head gear to capture the really varied look of the Early French.

Bicornes where worn mostly for and aft as you say but there are numerous illustrations of the bicorn side to side and yes you can shoulder the musket with it that way. But again this would allow a varity of figs to give the French that truly ragged look.

If you are refering to the Casque for the Austrians then yes that is what they used for the most part the helmet not coming into use until I think 1799-1800. Again this allows the Austrians to cover the 1792-96 period allowing the range to cover all of the early period.

The Mirltion and shako where used by light infantry during the 1796-97 period but again this would allow the range to cover more of the light infantry for the latter period.

Not so sure on the standard bears for the cav as I feel that it was the same as the light infantry in that they would usually did not carry them into the field, but sure why not.

As to the forge cap yes it was worn but as you say not a lot but again allows more varity of the range for that truly ragged French Look.
William
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von Winterfeldt
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« Reply #3 on: 23 June 2010, 10:34:46 AM »

As for bicornes for and aft - in contrast to side to side - I feel most illustrators and also sculptors cheat, they put on the hat first and then manage to get the musket behind it.

However the musket had to be shouldered - brought into positions of loading sequences and so on and you would just flip off your hat.

For fun - I converted a Perrys 1815 fusilier into a Rpublican one.

as for standard bearers - I am not sure for the Revolution, there wasn't Napoleon's paranoia to loose eagles.
But you might be right for light cavalry on the French side - there also the French light Infantry did not carry colours in the 1796 / 97 campaign.

For the line cavalry and dragoons however standards should be carried

in case I refer to the casque i mean the Tarleton, for the Austrians the Kasket was the usual general headgear in 1796 / 97
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Wkeyser
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« Reply #4 on: 23 June 2010, 11:00:54 AM »

Love those conversions. Can you now reduce those down to 10mm Wink

I can see that you too are an enthusiast for the Rev wars. I think there is a vast amount of intresting combats on both sides of the Alpes in 1796-97 and this range will open those up to us.

Thanks for the Support
William
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« Reply #5 on: 23 June 2010, 11:23:29 AM »

Leon
If the Range gets going I have made pdfs with paintings and illustrations of all the unifrom details including things like all the French Head gear, poses etc. Just let me know.
William
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« Reply #6 on: 23 June 2010, 12:46:45 PM »

I agree - nicer uniforms, better generals, more interesting combats than in 1804 - 1815  Wink
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« Reply #7 on: 23 June 2010, 12:55:37 PM »

For me it was the real equality between the forces, the French dominate in Italy but that is Nappy but in Germany there is an ebb and flow to the wins and loses. After the camp of Boulgne no one can really stop the French until the attrition of combat catches up to them 1809!
William
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« Reply #8 on: 23 June 2010, 04:15:46 PM »

The French did not dominate Italy  Wink - in 1799 they had a hard stand - of course Bonaparte was elsewhere.

The scope of a Revolutionary range is almost endless, from the Pyrenees to Egypt, from the plains in Italy the the High Alps of 1799 (Lecourbe), good armies - good commanders - nice uniforms - very interesting campaigns.

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« Reply #9 on: 23 June 2010, 05:24:35 PM »

Quick question, where have the code numbers come from for all those options?
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« Reply #10 on: 23 June 2010, 05:45:59 PM »

The code numbers are from the lists I drew up, largely for talks with Dave and then Gareth over the years. So don't worry that they refer to anything like other ranges, etc. - they are just my way of organizing things so we had a common point of reference. The list William posted is probably the most comprehensive of the versions. As vW noted, the lists can be considerably focused by temporarily leaving out "earlier" and "later" French uniform variants and looking at the number of poses, and concentrating on getting a workable range for the 1796/97 campaign as a starting point and then adding on the other extras.

Gareth probably still has all my notes from our various conversations, but if you have any organizational questions feel free to ask.

Cheers,

Christopher
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« Reply #11 on: 23 June 2010, 08:48:14 PM »

Ah, I was just curious as the codes were out of sync.  Fair enough, I prefer to work in codes myself, I find it easier to weight up the size of potential ranges that way.
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