Ancient Italians - Samnites, Campanians, Bruttians, Lucanians, Apulians

[Dunnadd]

No company does these in 10mm. I think Old Glory do one pack of Italian allies who are pretty mediocre and all the same single figure and that's about it.

Ancient Italians as allies in Roman or Carthaginian armies make them much more interesting and colourful. And of course they can be enemies for the Romans in earlier periods.

[barbarian]

I was thinking about doing some Etruscans (since I live in their main former city).
But, really, I don't know if they're is differences between the different Latins allies once they joined the Roman army.
I think that the Etruscans fought as the Greek with the hoplon.

[Leman]

Interesting bunch, Etruscans. Greek style hoplon and armour but some had a weapon similar to the pilum. Connolly has produced some excellent illustrations of Etruscans, Samnites and the like in his book on Greek and Roman warfare. As far as I can tell the very early Roman armies also looked like Greeks and didn't change much until the sack of Rome by the Gauls, although they did have the different classes of spearmen, dependant on wealth.

[Fenton]

Etruscan's  are an interesting army, not sure I like the way they developed into a Tyranid army over time though

[barbarian]

I just saw my english in the last post : I apologize ; it is awful.

[Duke Speedy of Leighton]

But at least your punctuation is outstanding.

[Phobos]

I´m sure there was another thread about ancient oscan peoples somewhere in the forum.

Im working in oscan warriors currently, not sure if Leon wants it, but was thinking about sell it in a near future. (As soon as I finish a couple of good horses.)

[Dunnadd]

Barbarian wrote

I was thinking about doing some Etruscans (since I live in their main former city).
But, really, I don't know if they're is differences between the different Latins allies once they joined the Roman army.
I think that the Etruscans fought as the Greek with the hoplon.

I don't think its known for certain how the allies other than the Latins were equipped. Its generally assumed that they gradually switched to Roman style equipment during the Republic but its not known for certain, nor when they did if they did. By the Marian period most former Italian allies were Roman citizens so they'd be just Roman troops by then, but earlier? No certainty. They might well still have had their own style of dress and equipment during the punic wars.

And there were also the Romans' wars of conquest in Italy against the Etruscans, Samnites, etc before that.

Barbarian wrote

I just saw my english in the last post : I apologize ; it is awful.

It's fine - much better than many people posting on the internet who have English as a first language.

Phobos wrote

Im working in oscan warriors currently, not sure if Leon wants it, but was thinking about sell it in a near future. (As soon as I finish a couple of good horses.)

Will you please post on the forums (and/or message me and anyone else interested) when those are on sale - whichever company they're on sale from or even if you're selling them directly yourself?

And do you have any photos?

[Leman]

Ay Barberrrian. Ahm Inglish an yer should ear ow dee torkit ear (Liverpool).

[Phobos]

Will you please post on the forums (and/or message me and anyone else interested) when those are on sale - whichever company they're on sale from or even if you're selling them directly yourself?

And do you have any photos?

Of course Dunnaid! No photos yet, but I´ll take a couple of today or tomorrow. Only finished two javelinmen poses, with partial muscle and triple disc cuirass, greaves and flat scutum. Having some problems with the feathers of the helmet
Also, my initial idea was something like this:

Oscan javelinmen (light infantry) 2 poses
Oscan javelinmen (samnite) 2 poses
Campanian hoplite
Oscan cavalry (1 pose + command)

[Techno]

I just saw my english in the last post : I apologize ; it is awful.

Good grief !
Very little to worry about there B.
I'll second Dunnadd's comment.
Cheers - Phil

[Dunnadd]

Of course Dunnaid! No photos yet, but I´ll take a couple of today or tomorrow. Only finished two javelinmen poses, with partial muscle and triple disc cuirass, greaves and flat scutum. Having some problems with the feathers of the helmet I don't want to see
Also, my initial idea was something like this:

Oscan javelinmen (light infantry) 2 poses
Oscan javelinmen (samnite) 2 poses
Campanian hoplite
Oscan cavalry (1 pose + command)

Thanks - they sound great. The feathered helmets are one of the things i like about Oscans but i can understand why it might be a bit of a nightmare trying to make them in 10mm

[Phobos]

yep, sometimes looks too bulky, smetimes look very thin... anyway, I keep working on them!

[barbarian]

I have a book for the Etruscans but early ones (Bronze Age).

I really think they all fought the Greek way at the time Rome tried (and succeeded) to conquer Italy.

[Dunnadd]

I only know what i've read about them in the WRG Armies of the Macedonian and Punic Wars book. I think early on they fought like hoplites but i think some people also think the earliest Roman armies were based on their former Etruscan rulers' army - and i think there's a theory that the Romans might have adopted pila from the etruscans (i might be misremembering that though - it may even be my own theory not backed up by anything  )

edit: according to this thread (which cites some Italian books as sources) there's ancient Etruscan artwork that may show they invented pila - and apparently the graves of Italian Celts show they used javelins similar to pila too!

Donnington miniatures (they call themselves Ancient and Modern Army Supplies these days) do a range of ancient Italians including Etruscans in 15mm which might be worth looking at to do 10mm (and better) versions of. The Donnington 15mm ones are decent designs but not very great modelling.

I'm definite no-one makes any 10mm Etruscans so if you make them they'll be the first.