FoG Napoleonic

[stormrider]

I recently picked up a copy of General de Brigade which seems quite interesting once you get your head around a few of the concepts.

I took a look at some of the FoG stuff and found it.. erm... a bit like Warhammer simplified, but with all the twiddly complex bits left in. I might not be giving it a fair run though in honesty.

[GordonY]

GdB might be ok, but I used to play it with a 28mm megalomaniac, who insisted in stuffing the table wall to wall with unit and to be honest it was as dull as ditchwater. But I suspect that was more a case of the man rather than the rules, which in all fairness read well enough.

Gordon

[Dave T]

I've done G de Brigade for 15mm and they worked well, gave a fun nights gaming.  Would work well in 10mm.  I've also tried a variant set of Gdb (cant remember the name) for 7YW. Its usually a good sign when a rules mechanics move between periods.

Interested to see what Napoleonic FOG is like. I've tried FoG for a War of the Roses battle and they seemed okay. 

I've heard there is a new version of the core FOG rules coming out, anyone know if this is true or if there is a date?

Dave T.

[Nosher]

There is a V.2 on the way but no idea of timescale involved.

[Ferb]

Lasalle has had some good reviews & is a worth a look only about a tenner for the pdf. 
http://www.sammustafa.com/honour/modules-games/lasalle/

[Nosher]

I have Lasalle and whilst I enjoy it for me there is something missing that I just cant put my finger on. Also tried Napoleon at War and whilst similar to Lasalle it has more holes than ementahl...

[Luddite]

Interesingly i'm off to Burton this weekend for a 900pt FOG doubles tournament!

I'm still not overly convinced by FOG, having intiatially tried it on release and rejected it for 2 years.  I've recently come back to it and its not a bad set of tournement rules.  I certainly haven't embraced it the way i did with DBM.

FOGN...hmm...not sure.
FOG seems to me to be essentially a tournament ruleset with all the gamist quirks therein.  Napoleonics for me has always seemed essentially a scenrio play period.  I'm not sure how that will transfer to the tournament ethos of FOG.

Frankly though, i find it sort of odd when any company brings out a new Napoleonic ruleset...after all, unless its bringing something truely revelational to the period, isn't it just a case of 'bandwagon?!  I'll have some of that!'

What I may do is wait two years until they're flogging off FOGN cheap (like i did with FOG) and pick it up then...unless the chaps at the club are keen on doing it right now of course...unlikely i suspect.

[AndyT]

My copy of the FOG:N rules arrived today. No idea how good they are, and I have no experience of the previous FOG rule sets, but it is a beautifully presented book. I hope to get a chance to look through it at the weekend.

[Luddite]

There was a copy at the club last night.  Certainly the usual eye candy, but since we haven't sorted out FOGR yet, i think FOGN will be a way off for me!   

[Ferb]

If anyone is interested Amazon still have FoG:N up at the pre-order price of £15.48 instead of £25.00 retail price.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/1849089264/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&tag=youchoosenet&linkCode=as2&camp=1634&creative=19450&creativeASIN=1849089264.

[Leon]

I've considered stocking things like FoG, but it's prices like that on Amazon which mean there's no point as the profits are so low.  I can't remember the exact details, but I don't think we could buy them in at that price with trade discount!

[Nosher]

I've considered stocking things like FoG, but it's prices like that on Amazon which mean there's no point as the profits are so low.  I can't remember the exact details, but I don't think we could buy them in at that price with trade discount!

You certainly have a point Leon. I order the vast majority of my books from them even if there is sometimes delays. I cant see the point in paying full whack with (normally) excessive postage costs added too. It just sials against my breeding (tight-fisted Yorkshire git)

However what I think might be worth PD's time is creating battalion/regiment packs of infantry/cavalry and artillery that match the rules. I'd certainly buy in such ways and I am sure this would make 10mm a more attractive proposition to naps gamers.

I think that FoG Napoleonic, Lasalle and Napoleon at War all have pretty much the same basing conventions, so at a stretch you might get away with packs that could cross three rule sets - if you added mdf bases to packs.....

[Leon]

However what I think might be worth PD's time is creating battalion/regiment packs of infantry/cavalry and artillery that match the rules. I'd certainly buy in such ways and I am sure this would make 10mm a more attractive proposition to naps gamers.

I think that FoG Napoleonic, Lasalle and Napoleon at War all have pretty much the same basing conventions, so at a stretch you might get away with packs that could cross three rule sets - if you added mdf bases to packs.....

This comes up quite often, but the thing that stops us is that the current rules-specific army packs don't sell in huge numbers, so we're unsure how worthwhile it would be to add more types.  The WM Ancient and Medieval 1000pt'ers go very slowly, maybe only a dozen over a year, the Fantasy DBF ones even less that that.  I think the only ones which have proved decent are the BKC packs, which we sell a couple a month of, and they go quite well at the shows as well.

[Nosher]

This comes up quite often, but the thing that stops us is that the current rules-specific army packs don't sell in huge numbers, so we're unsure how worthwhile it would be to add more types.  The WM Ancient and Medieval 1000pt'ers go very slowly, maybe only a dozen over a year, the Fantasy DBF ones even less that that.  I think the only ones which have proved decent are the BKC packs, which we sell a couple a month of, and they go quite well at the shows as well.

Sorry Leon - my post might not have been that clear. What I was suggesting was battalion packs which would be packs (with relevant command) that would be 30-40 figures per pack, not complete armies. The advantage you would have is that battalions/regiments in FoG/Lasalle and NaW are practically the same figure wise. Similarly this could include Brigade Packs of 3/4 battalions/regiments. I dont think that this would be too different from what you do already, and naturally the pack prices would have to go up in proportion.

I know this is a Magister Militum 'Model' but I do think players of others scales considering 10mm would see your new ranges of Naps being even more competitively priced. When I approached MM to ask if they would do 'different' pack structures for Lasalle they were accomodating BUT at it came at cost when they wanted to charge almost £1 extra per pack for what was about three or four figures different.

[Leon]

I think with things like this, it comes down to which method is going to result in the easiest experience for the customer, and then whether it works for us.  

As a complete change in the way we structure our packs, I can see the advantages of doing packs to suit certain rulesets, and including command etc., but would that make it better/worse for the average customer?  At the moment, around 5% of our orders are custom '32 of these, 48 of those' style orders, which is fine.  If we went to more specific pack compositions, would that % increase with people wanting just line troops, or just the command figures?  That's without factoring in the way the moulds are set up and the increased time needed to spin 2/3 moulds for each pack.

Alternatively, offering it as a separate option could be done, but that would require time to put the pack compositions together, and then make all the changes to the website.  Unfortunately, we just don't have the time at the moment to sort anything like that, and our priority has to be getting more photo's up and getting orders out quicker.

As always though, folk are more than welcome to place custom orders for whatever odds and ends they need, it's no bother at all.  And we won't stick an extra £1 on for the priviledge...