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« on: 28 January 2021, 02:15:40 PM »

This has taken considerably longer than expected.

A list of Irregular Wars proxies for some hig powers in the Indian Ocean:
Portugal, Holland (VoC), East Africa, Tribal Africa (Most of the rest south of the Sahara),
India (3 factions), East Indies and Arabia.

The thing I have learned about Proxies is: Much depends how fussy you are.
Some of these options will drop right in, some need an alternate paint scheme,
while some of them are - to be honest - a real stretch of imagination.
I've included plenty of options, the choice is yours.


Thanks to Lt General Fred, Colonel Pierre the Shy for filling in soem of my gaps.
Thanks also to Major Techno II for editing those updated into the header post.

Without further ado:



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## 10mm Proxies for Irregular Wars Armies ##
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## Ranges Used ##

== Renaissance ==
  EC  English Civil War
  EL  Elizabethan
  ER  Early 16th century English / Scots
  LOA League of Ausberg
  OT  Ottoman
  YW  30 Years War

== Others ==
  ACR Ancient Carthage
  AI  Ancient Indians
  ARL Ancient Roman (Late)
  ASA Ancient Sarmatian
  PER Ancient Persian

  AB Dark Age Arab
  TB TB Line Islamics

  PIR 18th Century Pirate

  MUT Indian Mutiny
  SC  Colonial Sudan
  ZC  Colonial Zulu

  NEA Great War East Africa


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## Irregular Wars Proxies: By Army List ##
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== Colonial Portuguese ==
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Aiming for 1500 onward, some affinity for earlier and rougher looking figures, especially among the "slave" soldiers

Militia Pike
  EL18 Pike Unarmoured
  EL24 Pike with Helmet
  EL23 Spanish Pike

Militia Shot
  EL3 Arquebusiers
  EL19 Musketeer, Type 2
  EC14 Musketeer Hat
  EC27 Dismounted Dragoon
  EC28 Musketeer Hat
  EC36 Musketeer Hat
  EC37 Musketeer Hat

Fidalgo (Mounted)
  YW3 Cavalry + Pistol
  EC11 Cuirassier

Harquebusier (Mounted)
  EL20 Mounted Arquebus
  YW2 Mounted Arquebusier

Targeteers
  EL6 Sword and Bucklerman

Priest
  EC42 Civilians (Maybe that guy is a bit 'protestant' looking).

Field Guns (Plenty of choice - Portuguese would be using a field carriage)

Slave Targeteer
  EL6 Sword and Bucklerman
  TB195 Infantry with sword/spear

Slave Pike
  EL15 Irish Pike

Slave Shot
  EL16 Irish Caliver

East Indian Warrior
  MUT5 Insurgents
  MUT6 Ghazis
  AI10 Light Javelins
  AI11 Forest Tribe
  TB195 Infantry with sword/spear

East Indian Scouts
  AI11 Forest Tribe

Notes:
  A fair degree of choice, enabling the collector to customize the look of this army.
  Militia Pike and Shot types could be repurposed as their slave soldier equivalents.
  The suggested Irish  variants provide a rather more ragged look.
  East Indian trops are drawn from the Indian Mutiny range (for a turbanned "Malay/Javan" look)
  or Ancient Indians, whose big bows and long shields better match the look of outer Islanders.

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== Hollanders ==
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Perennial enemy of the Portuguese form 1600 onwards.
Heavy use of League of Ausberg and Pirate figures create a divide between Rembrandt era gentlemen
and below deck ruffians on the VoC expeditions.

Merchant Adventurer
  LOA10 Command Marching
  LOA11 Command Standing

Drilled Shot
  LOA5 Matchlockment Standing
  LOA6 Matchlockment Marching
  LOA13 Matchlock Firing Line
  LOA18 Kneeling Matchlockmen

Ruijters (Mounted)
  LOA31 Cuirassiers Helmet

Mercenary Halberdier
  Use the Halberd Equipped figures form Merchant Adventurer packs (LOA10 and 11 above).

Colonial Militia Pike
  LOA1 Pikemen Standing
  EC2a Unarmoured Pikeman Standing
  EC2b Unarmoured Pikemen Advancing

Targeteers
  EL6 Sword and Bucklermen

Ships Crew
  PRT2 Pirates   (A rough looking lot form below decks)

Predikant (A preacher)
  EC42 Civilians

Ships Guns
  LOA25 Artillery Crew
  Could also use some pirates for a "below deck" look.
  SYB20 9pdr naval/fortress gun (Artillery ordnance)
  SYB21 12 pdr naval/fortress gun (Artillery Ordnance)

Asian Scouts
  AI11 Forest Tribe

Mardijker (Freedmen)
  MUT5 Insurgents
  MUT6 Ghazis
  AI10 Light Javelins
  AI11 Forest Tribe
  TB195 Infantry with sword/spear

Notes:
  If you desire a rougher look, picks fomr the Portuguese recomendations may be used.
  Pirates make a suitably desperate looking ships crew, while the lovely LOA range
  represent the well presented gentlemen who led or invested a stake in these voyages.
  I could not find a cannon on naval cariage in the Pendraken range: Irregular make one for their 10mm pirates.
  Heavy field guns could also be used to represent naval barrels on a locally improvised field cariage.
  Asian auxiliaries use the same figures as the Portuguese list; Mardijkers (Freedmen) being former
  Portuguese slave troops who entered paid VoC service.

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== Combined Indian Lists ==
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Irregular Wars presents three Indian lists: Mughal, Rajput and Vijayanagara.
The lists contain many common elements, so lists are merged here for Proxy purposes.
Each troop type is suffixed with the Initials of the kingdoms it may serve.

Muslim Horse (Mounted) [MV]
  OT4 Sipahi Cavalry Lance
  TB189 Heavy Knights with Lances

Silhidar Horse (Mounted) [M]
  OT3 Silhidar Cavalry Lance
  OT4 Sipahi Cavalry Lance
  TB189 Heavy Knights with Lances

Lancers (Mounted) [MRV]
  ARL20 Cataphract with Kontos
  ASA6 Cataphracts with Lance Armoured
  (Both someting of a stretch)
  AB9 Heavy Cavalry
  OT6 Delli Cavalry, lance, sabre
  TB189 Heavy Knights with Lances

Ghazi Horse Archer / Mounted Scout (Mounted) [MV]
  AB7 Horse Archers
  OT5 Akinci Cavalry, Bow, Javelins
  TB190 Light Cavalry with Bow

Light Horse (Mounted) [RV]
  PER13 Arab Cavalry
  AI5 Light Cavalry, spear, shield
  AI6 Medium Cavalry, spear, shield
  AB8 Medium Cavalry
  OT6 Delli Cavalry, lance, sabre

Jezail Camels (Mounted) [M]
  Irregular make one.
  Could improvise with SC16 sitting camel and MUT7 matchlocks

Elephant (Mounted) [MRV]
  AI1 Elephant with general and entourage
  AI2 Elephant with crew
  MUT22 Prince on Elephant

Elephant Artillery (Mounted) [M]
  As Elephant (above) - Add Jezzail / Swivel guns as a conversion

Afghan Spears [MR]
  AB2 Spearmen
  OT12 Vassal Spearmen
  TB195 Infantry with sword/spear (Spear figures)

Swordsmen [RV]
  AB6 Sudanese ghulam swordsman
  MUT5 Civilian Insurgent Badmash
  MUT6 Ghazi Muslim Fighters
  TB194 Knights on foot
  TB195 Infantry with sword/spear

Matchlocks [MRV]
  MUT7 Barkandaze feudal matchlock

Archers [MRV]
  AI9 Archer
  AB3 Archer
  OT11 Azab Bow
  ACR4 Light Archers
  TB192 Archers

Levy [MRV]
  MUT5 Civilian Insurgent Badmash

Rockets [M]
  A project for the scratchbuilders

Artillery [MV]
  OT17 Medium gun and crew
  OT18 Heavy gun and crew
  SC17 / SC18 Possible Crew

Notes:
  I lack a photo of the Pendraken Ancient Indian elephant, so recommend it unseen.
  Muslim Horse are the classic lance, bow and horse protection type, evolved from Timurid cavalry.
  Most probably have felt horse protection.
  Silhidar horse are similar but may have stronger (metal?) horse armour.
  The prince on elephant from the mutiny range is a nice model.
  It has conversion potential for Mughal elephant artillery; add a scratchbuilt light gun or two.
  Most elephants can be modeled with foot escorts.
  The rockets grade as heavy ordnance, so imply a launcher, as opposed to the lighter hand-thrown variety.

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== East Indies Sultanate ==
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Sultan's Guard
  AI8 General and Entourage
  AI10 Light Javelinmen, Shield
  TB195 Infantry with sword/spear

Elephant (Mounted)
  AI1 Elephant with general and entourage
  AI2 Elephant with crew
  MUT22 Prince on Elephant

Elephant Artillery (Mounted)
  As Elephant (above) - Add Jezzail / Swivel guns as a conversion

Sultan's Horse (Mounted)
  ACR7 Numidian Cavalry
  AI5 Light Cavalry, spear, shield
  AI6 Medium Cavalry, spear, shield
  AB8 Medium Cavalry
  OT6 Delli Cavalry, lance, sabre

Warriors
  MUT5 Civilian Insurgent Badmash
  MUT6 Ghazi Muslim Fighters
  AI10 Light Javelinmen, Shield
  TB195 Infantry with sword/spear

Tribal Headhunters
  AI10 Light Javelinmen, Shield
  AI11 Forest Tribesmen, bow, javelin

Musketeers
  MUT7 Barkandaze feudal matchlock

Archers
  AI9 Archer
  AB3 Archer
  OT11 Azab Bow
  ACR4 Light Archers
  TB192 Archers

Tribal Scouts
  AI11 Forest Tribesmen, bow, javelin

Artillery
  OT17 Medium gun and crew
  OT18 Heavy gun and crew
  SC17 / SC18 Possible Crew

A fairly Indian looking set of proxies here.
For the Malay/Indonesian heartlands, Indian Mutineers match the armies of the established sultans.
The Ancient indians, with their long shields are a better match for the wilder/tribal warriors from
outlying islands.
It is quite credible to employ a mixture of types.
Punic Numidian Cavalry are a good match for the extremely light horsemen from Sumba who engage in traditional
"pasola" jousting. (Google it, you'll be glad you did).

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== East African ==
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Tribal Warrior
  SC5 Mahdist Shaven Head
  SC6 Fuzzy Wuzzy
  SC7 Turbaned Tribesman
  ZC5 Zulus
  ZC8 Zulu Command
  ZC13 Zulu Chief
  NEA3 Masai Tribesmen with Spear

Tribal Archer
  AB3 Archer
  AB5 Sudanese Ghulam Archer

Tribal Horse
  ACR7 Numidian Cavalry
  AB8  Medium cavalry
  SC20 Mahdist Cavalry, Sword, Spear, Unarmoured

Tribal Shot
  NEA2 RuggaRugga tribesmen with rifles

Civic Spear
  AB2 Spearmen
  OT12 Vassal Spearmen
  TB195 Infantry with sword/spear (Selected figures)

Civic Shot
  SC7  Turbaned Tribesman (1 pose from 3 has a firearm).
  MUT7 Barkandaze feudal matchlock

Priest
  NEA3 Masai Tribesmen with Spear
  SC13 Arab Civilians

Artillery
  OT17 Medium Gun
  OT18 Heavy Gun
  SC17 / SC18 Possible Crew

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== Tribal African ==
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Warriors
  SC5 Mahdist Shaven Head
  SC6 Fuzzy Wuzzy
  ZC5 Zulus
  ZC8 Zulu Command
  ZC13 Zulu Chief
  NEA3 Masai Tribesmen with Spear

Scouts
  ZC5 Zulus
  ZC8 Zulu Command
  (Should probably have bow) - See comment for Archers.

Young Warriors
  ZC5 Zulus
  ZC8 Zulu Command

Tribal Shot
  NEA2 RuggaRugga tribesmen with rifles

Archers
  Cannot locate a suitably undressed archer with African hair :-(.

Shaman
  ZC13 Zulu Chief
  NEA3 Masai Tribesmen with Spear


Notes:
  You can pick your tribal warriors to represent an alliance of tribes.
  However you cut it, you're liable to end up with 'faasans' of Zulus.

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== Arabian ==
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Tribal Horse (Mounted)
  ACR7 Numidian Cavalry
  AB8  Medium cavalry
  SC20 Mahdist Cavalry, Sword, Spear, Unarmoured

Tribal Warriors
  SC5 Mahdist Shaven Head
  SC7 Turbaned Tribesmen
  MUT6 Ghazi Muslim Fighters
  TB195 Infantry with sword/spear (Spear figures)

Camelry (Mounted)
  SC21 Mahdist Camelry sword/spear
  TB191 Light Camelry with Bow/spear

Civic Spearmen
  AB2 Spearmen
  OT12 Vassal Spearmen
  TB195 Infantry with sword/spear (Selected figures)

Civic Shot
  MUT7 Barkandaze feudal matchlock

Tribal Archers
  AB3 Archer
  AB5 Sudanese Ghulam Archer
  OT11 Azab Bow
  TB192 Archers

Tribal Scouts
  AB3 Archer
  AB5 Sudanese Ghulam Archer
  OT11 Azab Bow
  TB192 Archers

Artillery
  OT17 Medium Gun
  OT18 Heavy Gun
  SC17 / SC18 Possible Crew
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« Reply #1 on: 28 January 2021, 02:52:52 PM »

Impressive list - good work
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« Reply #2 on: 28 January 2021, 03:12:03 PM »

Yep, as Ian has said, very impressive and useful Smiley.
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« Reply #3 on: 28 January 2021, 10:16:23 PM »

This has taken considerably longer than expected.

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## 10mm Proxies for Irregular Wars Armies ##
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## Irregular Wars Proxies: By Army List ##
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== Colonial Portuguese ==
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== Hollanders ==
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== Combined Indian Lists ==
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== East Indies Sultanate ==
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== Tribal African ==
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Posts as informative and as good as this need to be stored in an easy access archive.
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« Reply #4 on: 28 January 2021, 11:52:05 PM »

Some list. That's dedication.  Thumbs up
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« Reply #5 on: 29 January 2021, 08:15:36 AM »

Top work Steve!

Much more organised than I have been with IW lists.

I think these is a gun on a ship’s carriage in the SYW ranges.

Good thinking on using the Irish Pike and Shot for proxies, as they are very simply dressed.
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« Reply #6 on: 29 January 2021, 09:02:33 AM »

Well done Steve, quite a piece of work there  Thumbs up

One thought I had about your combined Indian list was that rather than using Ancient Range armoured cavalry to depict Mughul type armoured cavalry what about using some of the recently released TB Line Islamics range?

TB-188 Mounted command
TB-189 Heavy knights with lances

https://pendraken.co.uk/tb-line/middle-ages/islamics/

Both lots have middle eastern style riders mounted on fully armoured horses which may be a bit of a closer visually to what you're after?

just an idea

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« Reply #7 on: 29 January 2021, 10:17:47 AM »

Top work Steve!

Much more organised than I have been with IW lists.

I think these is a gun on a ship’s carriage in the SYW ranges.

Good thinking on using the Irish Pike and Shot for proxies, as they are very simply dressed.

By Jove sir, you're quite correct. Lovely models too.

SYB19 / 20  9 / 12lb naval or fortress gun.

It didn't occur to me to look at such an obnviously European (and tricorne bound) range.
I shall see whether I can update the original.
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« Reply #8 on: 29 January 2021, 10:25:04 AM »

Well done Steve, quite a piece of work there  Thumbs up

One thought I had about your combined Indian list was that rather than using Ancient Range armoured cavalry to depict Mughul type armoured cavalry what about using some of the recently released TB Line Islamics range?

TB-188 Mounted command
TB-189 Heavy knights with lances

https://pendraken.co.uk/tb-line/middle-ages/islamics/

Both lots have middle eastern style riders mounted on fully armoured horses which may be a bit of a closer visually to what you're after?

just an idea

I had failed to spot the TB-Line section on the website.
Many thanks for the reference, those offer a lot of interesting options.

The range also contains camelry, and foot troops that would work well for Indian / Arabian lists.

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« Reply #9 on: 29 January 2021, 10:30:23 AM »

No plan survives contact with the enemy.
In a similar spirit, no piece of research is ever truly complete.

I'm extremely grateful for the feedback, thank you all.
The suggestions for additional troop types are particularly useful.
I shall update my original document.

I cannot find a way to update the post at the head of this section.
Can it be done?

In the meantime, if anybody can recommend a good proxy for a tribal african archer, my work will be almost complete
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« Reply #10 on: 29 January 2021, 10:33:09 AM »

Steve you can edit a post but only for a short time (2hrs?) as yours was yesterday afternoon it's now locked. You could try a copy am=nd paste then edit.
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« Reply #11 on: 29 January 2021, 12:31:26 PM »

Steve you can edit a post but only for a short time (2hrs?) as yours was yesterday afternoon it's now locked. You could try a copy am=nd paste then edit.

It looks as through "Edit" is past its sell by date.
I couldn't find anything else helpful - but am notorious for failing to spot handy shortcuts on web pages.

Is there a way to attach a text document?
I've updated with TB line options, and added an Arabic list..
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« Reply #12 on: 29 January 2021, 12:44:08 PM »

Tell me what you need changing, Steve.

I'll do it a bit later.  Wink

Cheers - Phil  Smiley
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« Reply #13 on: 29 January 2021, 01:11:52 PM »

Steve don't let Phil anywhere near it, itul all disappear  Grin.
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« Reply #14 on: 29 January 2021, 02:17:32 PM »

Tell me what you need changing, Steve.

I'll do it a bit later.  Wink

Cheers - Phil  Smiley

Thanks, personal message sent.
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