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Leon
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Template lists for new Modern ranges
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10 November 2020, 01:05:37 AM »
We're going to be expanding our post-war/modern offering soon to cover the Arab-Israeli conflicts and then onwards into the Cold War with US, Soviets, etc. To get these ranges up and running we're hoping to use a basic skeleton template of what's needed, which can then be tweaked a little for each conflict/nation along the way. This would be: infantry in the usual poses, mortar teams, LMGs, HMG teams, bazooka/launchers, officers and radio ops. The hope is that this will also provide a nice selection of proxy figures for other nations.
Below is the rough idea of our Arab-Israeli ranges, so have a look and see if there's anything you think we've missed. Remember that this is a core range so we're looking for the essentials to begin with!
Israelis
(1973)
IDF1 Advancing with FN FAL rifle (2 poses)
IDF2 Advancing with AK47
IDF3 Advancing with FN (GPMG) and No2 with ammo belts
IDF4 Standing, firing FN FAL rifle
IDF5 Standing, firing Uzi from waist
IDF6 Kneeling, firing rifle
IDF7 Prone, firing FN (GPMG and No2)
IDF8 FN FAL bipod team
IDF9 FN GPMG in tripod team
IDF10 Light mortar team with slung Uzi
IDF11 Medium mortar team with slung Uzi
IDF12 .50cal HMG team
IDF13 RPG-7 team
IDF14 Blincidide bazooka team
IDF15 Rifle grenadier
IDF16 Radio operator
IDF17 Officers x 2 (1 x field and 1 x staff)
IDF18 Tank commander
Artillery crews x 4
Egyptians
(Waistcoat type)
EGP1 Advancing with AK47 (2 poses)
EGP2 Advancing with Kalashnikov
EGP3 Advancing with RPD machine gun
EGP4 Standing, firing AK47
EGP5 Standing, firing Port Said SMG (2 poses)
EGP6 Kneeling, firing AK47
EGP7 Kneeling, firing Port Said SMG
EGP8 Prone RPD machine gun team
EGP9 Light mortar team
EGP10 MMG team (SG-43 Goryunov)
EGP11 Sagger team
EGP12 RPG-7 team
EGP13 Sapper/Engineer team
EGP14 Radio operator
EGP15 Officers x 2 (1 x field and 1 x staff)
EGP16 Tank commander
EGP17 Little wooden cart - unique to assault infantry
Artillery crews x 4
Syrians
(shirt tails out)
SRN1 Advancing with AK47 (2 poses, one in beret)
SRN2 Advancing RPD (2 poses, one in beret)
SRN3 Standing, firing AK47
SRN4 Kneeling, firing AK47
SRN5 Prone RPD machine gun team
SRN6 Light mortar team
SRN7 HMG team
SRN8 Sagger team
SRN9 RPG-7 team (one in beret)
SRN10 Sapper/Engineer team
SRN11 Radio operator
SRN12 Officers x 2
SRN13 Tank commander
Artillery crews x 4
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Re: Template lists for new Modern ranges
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10 November 2020, 06:58:01 AM »
Great stuff!
Thank you for the MGs being prone (boo!) and advancing (huzzah!).
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Sounds fun.
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Re: Template lists for new Modern ranges
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10 November 2020, 07:33:20 AM »
Advancing LMG teams would be useful as well, always looks a bit odd with all the standing riflemen and a prone MG team. For 73 the Syrians and Egyptians are virtually identical, and make good proxies for Soviets.
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Re: Template lists for new Modern ranges
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10 November 2020, 09:11:51 AM »
The Uzi was mainly used by support troops (Artillerymen, tankers and rear echelon troops.
frontline use was mostly with the elite troops.
good selection of troops.
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Chad
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Re: Template lists for new Modern ranges
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10 November 2020, 01:04:34 PM »
Why just 73 or is 67 fully covered?
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Re: Template lists for new Modern ranges
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10 November 2020, 01:54:53 PM »
Can we add a generic "technical" pick up with the agility to mount assorted weapons on it, ie HMG, Recoiless rifle.
If some of the figures were in caps or bare headed, they could be used for all sorts of conflicts
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Matt J
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Re: Template lists for new Modern ranges
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10 November 2020, 03:43:42 PM »
Tank commanders/crew.
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Re: Template lists for new Modern ranges
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10 November 2020, 03:51:42 PM »
I think 'Blincidid bazooka team' should be 'Blindicide bazooka team'
I suggest changing "Prone RPDM machine gun team" to "Prone RPD light machine gun team". Where you see 'M' as part of the nomenclature of Soviet small arms it means 'modernised'. The RPDM is a later modernised version of the 'RPD'. 'RPD' is the generic and much better known name for this family of LMGs, unless you want to be very specific and very technical indeed. For all intents and purposes all versions of the RDP are indistinguishable.
I also agree with the comments about prone LMG teams. My own preference, if I can only have one pose, is for moving teams but in an ideal world I like to have both.
Change "HMG team- Groyunov?" to "SG-43 Goryunov medium machine gun". The Goryunov is not a HMG but a MMG.
If you want a Soviet HMG equivalent to the .50 Browning, you need a DShK 12.7mm heavy machine gun.
Finally, Egyptians used the East German helmet as well as the Soviet one.
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Re: Template lists for new Modern ranges
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10 November 2020, 05:40:55 PM »
Greetings
Greetings
Excellent!
Arab/Soviet bloc:
- I suspect SA-7 Grail, though plentiful in 1973, may not be deployed in the front lines?
- I don’t know the extent to which the Soviet SG-43 was being replaced by the PK pre-1973. But post Middle East you’ll need PK(M)s in light and tripod role.
- Semi related point that as yet there would be no RPKs in 1973 but again once you move onto Soviet these will be needed. The template figures seem good though.
- The Syrians need a Sagger team I think.
Israeli:
No thoughts so far.
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sultanbev
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Re: Template lists for new Modern ranges
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11 November 2020, 12:19:06 AM »
Each Israeli squad had 2x FN FAL heavy barrel with bipod as squad automatic weapon, so you'd need those as well as the FN-MAG teams.
Besides the Blindicide 83mm, the IDF also used RPG-7, 3.5" M20 and a home-built version called the 82mm Marnat. However all appear to look pretty much the same (apart from the RPG-7 obviously) - a long stove pipe with a distinct shield, so you'd probably get away with one model in 10mm.
Regarding Uzi in front line use, the paras and mechanised infantry had a high proportion of them per squad, so are a legit inclusion. Later in the 1973 war some IDF units were solely equipped with Soviet small arms, AK47, RPD, RPG-7, so they are too all legit inclusions.
The Egyptian sappers used Soviet 50mm mortars for mineclearing, so I presume that is what is meant by their light mortar teams.
Didn't thye have backpack flame throwers too?
You might want to add anti-tank gun crews for all sides, especially the arabs.
And 82mm B10 recoilless rifles for the arabs.
Thumbs up for the advancing LMG teams from me too!
And don't forget the Jordanians.....
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Re: Template lists for new Modern ranges
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Reply #11 on:
11 November 2020, 07:29:16 PM »
Some good photos for poses of IDF bazooka teams on this thread:
https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https://bukvoed.livejournal.com/273945.html
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Re: Template lists for new Modern ranges
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Quote from: sultanbev on 11 November 2020, 07:29:16 PM
Some good photos for poses of IDF bazooka teams on this thread:
https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https://bukvoed.livejournal.com/273945.html
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