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DaveH
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« on: 26 October 2020, 10:23:31 AM »

Get started on the fairly big topic for SCW artillery and vehicles

Nationalists
Panzer I - GRV1


Republicans
FT17 - F38 (37mm) and F39 (MG)

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Civilians - FRE15
Citroen Truck - FRE17
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John Cook
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« Reply #1 on: 27 October 2020, 10:57:12 AM »

Before you do a lot of unnecessary work, these are not really substitutes.  They aren't proxies for something else.
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« Reply #2 on: 27 October 2020, 01:15:38 PM »

No, but they are equipment used in the conflict that arenít in the main lists - so are useful to know they exist elsewhere in the Pendraken catalogue
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« Reply #3 on: 27 October 2020, 01:26:45 PM »

Wot fred said!
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« Reply #4 on: 27 October 2020, 05:41:30 PM »

You seem to be saying that if somebody wants a Pz MkI for a SCW project, they need to be told that it exists under WW2 German.  Really? 
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« Reply #5 on: 27 October 2020, 06:34:12 PM »

I think he's saying its helpful to tell someone which code it is Wink

Other entries will be less obvious such as the civilians...
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« Reply #6 on: 27 October 2020, 08:31:01 PM »

You seem to be saying that if somebody wants a Pz MkI for a SCW project, they need to be told that it exists under WW2 German.  Really? 

I can think of two among my own gaming group .... well what was my gaming group until Covid came along Sad

One of them had reached his early forties without being aware that the Russians had been an Allied power not an Axis one during WW2.

"Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." - Albert Einstein

Though I do like to imagine that at least some of it is down to being ill-informed rather than actually stupid.
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« Reply #7 on: 27 October 2020, 10:34:15 PM »

It might well be useful to point to items that were used in the SCW (or whatever) and are found listed elsewhere, but they really aren't proxies.  To call them proxies (substitutes) might only confuse the "ill-informed".  It seems to me, that if this idea is to be pursued, there need to be two 'lists'.  Proxies, for example using the 1809 Saxon infantry to substitute for 1806 Prussian infantry and items that are not substitutes for anything but are listed elsewhere.  Laudable though this idea is, I see it as a jar of the proverbial potentially.     
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« Reply #8 on: 28 October 2020, 10:26:08 AM »

I think he's saying its helpful to tell someone which code it is Wink

Other entries will be less obvious such as the civilians...

Correct and not all the possible choices will be obvious in where to find them, e.g. FT17 could be under WWI or WWII French. Civilians and types suitable for militia can come in other places. I think we maybe need a wider range of things than proxies as it will include models from other ranges and where to find them for a period.
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« Reply #9 on: 28 October 2020, 11:58:08 AM »

Correct and not all the possible choices will be obvious in where to find them, e.g. FT17 could be under WWI or WWII French. Civilians and types suitable for militia can come in other places. I think we maybe need a wider range of things than proxies as it will include models from other ranges and where to find them for a period.

I think so.  I was wondering if it would not be better to have a 'note' at the top of the SCW page, directing people to other pages for kit that was used in Spain.  Mind you, the SCW is, perrhaps, unique in that almost anything from WW1 and early WW2 turned up there.  The Soviets used the opportunity to dump a lot of captured German WW1 stuff on the Republic.  I've been gaming the SCW for years so I'll start a list and we can compare notes.
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« Reply #10 on: 28 October 2020, 06:32:43 PM »

This kind of thing crops up in a few lists, I think it often comes down to when a particular model was made by Pendraken, as some of the lists of models are much newer. There is the problem that the sales website only (easily) lets you have a given product in one section.

Therefore there are a few places were being able to cross reference other codes is useful. There is perhaps the distinction to be made between cross referencing and actual proxies?
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« Reply #11 on: 29 October 2020, 09:15:17 AM »

We maybe need a section for true proxies like the Chinese Warlords ones going on, then a section for compatible figure ranged for particular eras like SCW? Would be useful for AVBCW stuff too. And even with the likes of some medieval eras, there's figures from ancient to renaissance that would fit, they're a little blurred between proxy and compatible, as there's not much difference between an Arab light cavalry man in Xerxes army as in Saladin's despite the 1700 years or so difference.

Maybe we need a "pick 'n' mix" for a list of potential compatible ranges to at least have a starting point for people to look at if they don't find what they need in the "named" range?
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« Reply #12 on: 29 October 2020, 10:07:47 AM »

We maybe need a section for true proxies like the Chinese Warlords ones going on, then a section for compatible figure ranged for particular eras like SCW? Would be useful for AVBCW stuff too. And even with the likes of some medieval eras, there's figures from ancient to renaissance that would fit, they're a little blurred between proxy and compatible, as there's not much difference between an Arab light cavalry man in Xerxes army as in Saladin's despite the 1700 years or so difference.

Maybe we need a "pick 'n' mix" for a list of potential compatible ranges to at least have a starting point for people to look at if they don't find what they need in the "named" range?

To avoid proliferating sections maybe we need proxy and compatible figures/models as the section title.
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« Reply #13 on: 29 October 2020, 12:43:33 PM »

To avoid proliferating sections maybe we need proxy and compatible figures/models as the section title.

I think so. Itís much easier for people to have one place to look. Itís hardly likely any of these lists are going to be that long they need breaking out into different sections.
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« Reply #14 on: 29 October 2020, 02:20:56 PM »

I think we've down a bit of a rabbit hole with what's a proxy and what's just hiding in another range!  Let's see how the much use this board gets and how many lists we see, and then we can decide if it needs a finetune.
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