PSC stuff

Started by Lord Kermit of Birkenhead, 24 January 2020, 02:26:32 PM

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Lord Kermit of Birkenhead

The classic down scale is the Revell 1/72nd Fuchs APC. It was obviously taken directly from a 1/35th scale kit with full chaiss including steering rods. You might be able to make it in 1/35, but no way in 1/72nd.

Also the newer Warlord stuff is resin, not plastic.  Hail Ceaser = Plastic, SPQR = Resin
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Techno

Absolutely nothing to do with import duties, then. :)

Cheers - Phil


Duke Speedy of Leighton

Quote from: Techno on 26 January 2020, 12:46:13 PM
Absolutely nothing to do with import duties, then. :)

Cheers - Phil


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Leon

Quote from: sultanbev on 25 January 2020, 10:39:35 AM
Vitrix now being called 12mm
https://www.beastsofwar.com/modern-warfare/victrix-upcoming-12mm-world-war-ii-game/

The Victrix article is pulled from their original Facebook post so no scale attached to it there.  Saying '12mm' isn't telling us a great deal other than the height of a figure, but even then is that 12mm overall height or 12mm to the eye?  12mm overall height at 1:144th gives a 5ft 8in person and is about right.  But if the figures turn out to be 13.5-14mm actual height then at 1:144th they're about 6ft 5in tall!  

Quote from: Raider4 on 25 January 2020, 11:24:30 AM
I believe that Pendraken's vehicles are scaled at 1/150.

Yep, 1:150th which gives a height of 5ft 8in in real terms.  It also sits us nicely among the various N-gauge scales and opens up the railway markets for scenery and buildings.

Quote from: Techno on 26 January 2020, 08:24:54 AM
Well..... the initial outlay to produce (tool up) plastic figures/vehicles certainly used to be mind bogglingly ginormous, compared to paying for a production run of metal figures.

I'm sure Leon could quote you far more up to date figures for the costs of 'making plastics' than the ones I used to know....

The prices about 10 years ago were around £40k-£50k per plastic boxset, which included all of the tooling and then your first couple of thousand boxes.  The plastic sprues themselves cost pennies, 10p-20p each to produce, so once you've got the tool made you can really make some profit.  (You've got to sell enough to cover that initial outlay though!)

These days I think the costs are down at around £7k-£10k for plastic tooling, then a similar 10p-20p per sprue to manufacture.  Also, the 3-up method has largely been replaced with digital sculpting so the tool is made from a .stl file rather than a pantograph type affair.  

Quote from: Dr Dave on 26 January 2020, 10:23:54 AM
Warlord are all produced in the UK.

They definitely produce their metal and resin at their premises in Nottingham, I've never been sure on the plastics though?  There's also a few of the larger companies testing a new resin spin-casting machine but at nearly £50k per machine I don't think it'll be taking off anytime soon!

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Techno

Workshop once had an experiment to see if there was any way of getting plastic to flow through a rubber mould, while I was there.

It wasn't.

'Something' came out of the mould.....It had two arms and two legs...a head and a body....But that's about all you could say about it ! ;)

Cheers - Phil

Norm

27 January 2020, 08:32:44 AM #35 Last Edit: 27 January 2020, 08:34:28 AM by Norm
Quote from: Leon on 26 January 2020, 11:19:40 PM
The Victrix article is pulled from their original Facebook post so no scale attached to it there.  Saying '12mm' isn't telling us a great deal other than the height of a figure, but even then is that 12mm overall height or 12mm to the eye?  12mm overall height at 1:144th gives a 5ft 8in person and is about right.  But if the figures turn out to be 13.5-14mm actual height then at 1:144th they're about 6ft 5in tall!  

On their forum page, someone who has put together a Panther model, says it is around 4.5cm long. It doesn't say whether that includes gun barrel, but I doubt it. I have the old Pendraken Panther, which is is about 4.1 or 4.2 cm long (hull only) and I am guessing the new Pendraken sculpt is slightly bigger, suggesting the vehicles at least may be closer in size.

steve_holmes_11

Quote from: Techno on 27 January 2020, 06:42:54 AM
Workshop once had an experiment to see if there was any way of getting plastic to flow through a rubber mould, while I was there.

It wasn't.

'Something' came out of the mould.....It had two arms and two legs...a head and a body....But that's about all you could say about it ! ;)

Cheers - Phil

I'm about as shocked as Cap'n Renault about that.
Injection plastics aren't known for their fluidity - closer to cold honey than water.

The injection process occurs at fairly high pressures.
A proper working pressure on a rubber would would likely blow any seal before filling the details.

Plastic is also an insulator, so doesn't cool quickly.
Hence the advantages of steel moulds.


Raider4

Quote from: ianrs54 on 24 January 2020, 02:26:32 PM
Probs coming up for Leon, just seen piccies of the PSC 10mm Soviets, the infantry look rather good.

Timecast are doing 10mm West Germans, apparently.