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« on: 13 June 2019, 11:19:07 AM »

I like your ECW figures very much, but do wish there were pikemen, marching and standing, cast with open hands to take vertical wire pikes, like the figures in your League of Augsburg range. Ideally there would be figures in armour, and unarmoured, with a mixture of helmets, hats, Monmouth caps and monteros.
Does anyone else feel the same? If so, please join this topic!
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« Reply #1 on: 13 June 2019, 11:37:31 AM »

Welcome Arthur, warning - we will insult you and derail your threads with monotonous regularity.

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« Reply #2 on: 13 June 2019, 11:52:37 AM »

Oooh! He starts with a hot topic!

The Open Hands debate rages quite regularly on this forum. You may invoke the ire of the sculptors.


Anyway, welcome to the Forum.

May I just ask, 1815? This would suggest a Napoleonic interest, or is a quarter past six significant? Stuff the ECW, have a look at the new Napoleonics!
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« Reply #3 on: 13 June 2019, 12:00:38 PM »

Welcome to the forum arthur!

You will doubtless find it warm, welcoming and wacky , by turns Smiley

I hope you enjoy your time here.

As to open hands for pikes, etc. ....... Aaaaaaaaaaargh!!!! No! Life is way too short to faff about endlessly gluing pikes to hands. Give me cast-on every time.
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« Reply #4 on: 13 June 2019, 12:26:04 PM »

Ignore FSN, or Nobby, he is Very Very strange, even when he's taking the frog pills.
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« Reply #5 on: 13 June 2019, 01:45:05 PM »

Told ya!

I'm just saying the new Napoleonics are very, very good.  Cheesy
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« Reply #6 on: 13 June 2019, 02:05:19 PM »

Given a choice, I would prefer open hands and wire.
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« Reply #7 on: 13 June 2019, 02:24:44 PM »

A very warm welcome to the forum, Arthur. Smiley

As one of Pendraken's oft' used sculptors.....

Open handed, against a 'pre-made' pike, halberd....or whatever....often gets mentioned, here. (As 'Nobby'..aka fsn says)...(Not to mention, Mike....aka Ithoriel...ditto)

It would be wonderful if the figures could be made 'either, or'.....But that makes the cost to our esteemed leader (Leon) more than double.....
As far as I can tell....Most ? folk prefer 'ready made' in place 'spears' etc.

From where I sit....I can see the advantages/shortcomings of both.

Cheers - Phil



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« Reply #8 on: 13 June 2019, 02:56:52 PM »

Welcome, aye, welcome!  Smiley

My preference is for cast pikes. My aging eyesight and less than successful record with super glue practically requires it.  Huh?
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« Reply #9 on: 13 June 2019, 03:39:09 PM »

Welcome!  I can live with either, but my one request is that if they are going to be moulded on, then they should be the right size.

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« Reply #10 on: 13 June 2019, 03:43:08 PM »

I have just binned a load of beautifully cast, but very wobbly, loose 15mm pikes and replaced with steel ones. The figures were cast open-handed and then supplied with soft metal pikes - pointless exercise.

Welcome to the forum. wherever possible I prefer open handed figures, and, in the bigger scales, hands that can be drilled so that steel pikes donít then fall off (Old Glory are good at that). Some companies do provide a choice and I for one donít much care for bendy pikes on the table. Same goes for lances and spears.
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« Reply #11 on: 13 June 2019, 03:59:55 PM »

While there are sturdiness benefits to wire ones, the extra faff involved in fitting them in large numbers isn't really worth it, though with pikes it probably is a borderline one given the lengths involved. Then again I have big fingers and more likely to stick the wires to my fingers than the small hands of the models so cast on is handy.

Also, welcome to the forum!
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« Reply #12 on: 13 June 2019, 04:00:35 PM »

Welcome!  I can live with either, but my one request is that if they are going to be moulded on, then they should be the right size.

This is probably one of the biggest problems, especially at smaller scales

As one of the sculptors.....I could make the shaft/s of the pikes/whatever as thin as you want. (ish)

Once it goes into the mould......The impression of the shaft will be there, in the rubber.....But to try and get the 'hot liquid' metal to go up such a tiny channel is VERY difficult.
My guess is.....Leon/Pendraken would have to spin the mould up to ten times, to just get a single figure that would 'look right'.

Leon THEN has to send these out.

What chance would those have of getting 'home' without being completely  and totally bent ?

That's why I tend to mess about with the length of things....like guns.

It's actually a very difficult process.

Cheers - Phil

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« Reply #13 on: 13 June 2019, 04:01:30 PM »

Hello Arthur, open hands for me!
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« Reply #14 on: 13 June 2019, 04:22:46 PM »

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