D-Day - how did churchill tanks get onto the beaches?

Started by Wulf, 12 June 2019, 12:42:54 AM

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Wulf

Quote from: pierre the shy on 13 June 2019, 08:53:22 AM
It appears that all the 79th Armoured Div ARVE's were carried in LCT 5's with 4 vehicles per LCT: 
I feel a diorama coming on...

Dr Dave

Whoaaaaaa - hold on. The AVREs have 6 crew? How dat den?  :-X

Raider4

Quote from: Dr Dave on 13 June 2019, 05:34:32 PM
Whoaaaaaa - hold on. The AVREs have 6 crew? How dat den?  :-X

From Wikipedia: "Crew was increased to 6 to accommodate a demolition NCO in addition to driver, commander, gunner, wireless operator, and co-driver/machine gunner."

Wulf

The Churchill was chosen for it's roomy interior, and with all the regular gun ammo removed (and so, I'd have thought, the regular turret loader out of a job...), and a limited supply or Petard Mortar ammo (for all it's blast capability the round is quite compact), there was plenty of space for engineering tools, demolition charges, and, it seems, an extra seat...  

EDIT: I guess from the list above the loader is now a full time wireless operator.

Dr Dave

 :o I did not know that - and I love the Churchill tank.

Wulf

Quote from: Kiwidave on 12 June 2019, 02:20:38 AM
LCT looks like a good option:

That picture has been annoying me... that's not an SBG, it doesn't have the winch framework on the rear deck. Looks more like the shackles for another fascine. Speaking of which, unless there's something weird about the depth perspective, that fascine is on the rear deck of the Churchill with the framework, despite it looking like the regular fascine support is under that framework... Bit of a weird trio.

fsn

Is it another fascine carrier?

And what happened to its main armament?
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Dr Dave

The spigot bomb isn't attached / loaded / in place. That's all.

fsn

Think the photo was of an exercise - hence the disarmed tanks.  
https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/missinglynx/churchhill-avre-s-b-g-assault-bridghe-t317390.html


Hmmm ... could be the SBG

http://www.navsource.org/archives/10/18/180296.htm Suggests 2296 was a LCT(5).


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Quote from: fsn on 13 June 2019, 08:55:08 PM
Hmmm ... could be the SBG
Now that is odd, how is that bridge lowered (and, yes, clearly that is indeed an SBG) other than by simply dropping it, which can't be a great method of placement? I can't see a winch at the back. Maybe a different arrangemant with a smaller winch or one behind the hull.

fsn


To answer the Dieppe question, here's a photo of a couple of LST's used at Dieppe.  120' foot long. I'll be honest my LST recognition isn't that good ... but I'm sure one of you will identify the type.

"Three 39-ton tanks – code-named Ringer, Regiment and Rounder – sat at the front of the 120-feet-long landing craft. Alexander's two vehicles, a tracked carrier and a Jeep, sat near the back."

http://elinorflorence.com/blog/dieppe-medical-corps
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Wulf

Now I can get my Churchills to the beach... Still to do final cleanup & some fixes (so the SBG isn't fixed in place, it's propped up by a die).

The LCT  is printed more crudely than normal, because
a) It took 11 hours as it is...
b) I don't really need one, I just wanted to do it...

Note that the bulldozer is wildly out of scale, but that's the smallest it would print without losing bits, especially tracks & the blade support struts.


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