Pendraken Miniatures Forum
Welcome, Guest. Please login or register.
19 October 2019, 05:18:54 AM

Login with username, password and session length
Search:     Advanced search
The 1809 Napoleonic expansion has been released!
285207 Posts in 16997 Topics by 2190 Members
Latest Member: psutcliffe
* Home Help Search Calendar Login Register
+  Pendraken Miniatures Forum
|-+  Wider Wargaming
| |-+  Genre/Period Discussion
| | |-+  20th Century (Moderator: GordonY)
| | | |-+  D-Day - how did churchill tanks get onto the beaches?
« previous next »
Pages: [1] 2 3 Go Down Print
Author Topic: D-Day - how did churchill tanks get onto the beaches?  (Read 961 times)
Wulf
Colonel
*
Posts: 1335


« on: 12 June 2019, 12:42:54 AM »

That looks like a strange topic, but there's a specific reason why I ask. I've been printing some 3d minis, including lots of Churchill AVRE versions, and now I've printed a LCM-3, thinking that would be how they got on shore.

They don't fit...

Now, OK, it's entirely possible I've got the scales wrong, but it does look like the Churchill is too wide. Specifically the armoured air filters on each side. I believe they would be removed for rail transport, but as I've seen numerous pictures (and even printed a couple of minis) of Churchills with wading gear attached to those filters, I'd imagined they came onshore from landing craft same as Shermans, etc.

So, like the topic says, how did Churchil tanks get on to the beaches on D-Day?
Logged
kustenjaeger
Major
*
Posts: 550


« Reply #1 on: 12 June 2019, 01:24:02 AM »

Greetings

LCT or LST.

Regards

Edward
Logged
Wulf
Colonel
*
Posts: 1335


« Reply #2 on: 12 June 2019, 02:01:25 AM »

LCT or LST.
Right, so, true enough, it needs something bigger. An LCT shouldn't be beyond 3d printing in 10mm scale though...
Logged
Kiwidave
Major
*
Posts: 588



WWW
« Reply #3 on: 12 June 2019, 02:20:38 AM »

LCT looks like a good option:
Logged
John Cook
Captain
*
Posts: 387



« Reply #4 on: 12 June 2019, 11:56:25 AM »

Wasn't the LCM-3 designed in the US to fit a Sherman?  What did they use to land Churchill's at Dieppe?
Logged
Wulf
Colonel
*
Posts: 1335


« Reply #5 on: 12 June 2019, 12:21:08 PM »

Hmmm... even if someone modelled it, only the smallest of the LCTs, the Mk 5 & 6, would fit on my printer, and even then only diagonally...
Logged
Wulf
Colonel
*
Posts: 1335


« Reply #6 on: 12 June 2019, 01:21:50 PM »

Wasn't the LCM-3 designed in the US to fit a Sherman?  What did they use to land Churchill's at Dieppe?
Wiki says LCTs.
Logged
fsn
General
*
Posts: 8706



« Reply #7 on: 12 June 2019, 01:37:57 PM »

"Dieppe at Dawn" (RW Thompson, 1956) gives losses at Dieppe as 5 x LCT(2)

"Dieppe August 19" (Eric Maguire, 1963) just talks of LCTs.
Logged

Lord Oik of Runcorn
(You may refer to me as Milord Oik)

Oik of the Year 2013
Oik of the Year 2014
Prize for originality and 'having a go, bless him', 2015
3 votes in the 2016 Painting Competition!

15mm is dead. It just doesn't know it yet.
paulr
General
*
*
Posts: 8473


« Reply #8 on: 12 June 2019, 08:33:41 PM »

This link gives the Landing table for Sword Beach, there are tables for all the beaches

http://www.6juin1944.com/assaut/sword/en_page.php?page=landing

"10 LCT(AVRE)" suggests that the Churchills were in LCT
Logged

2018 Painting Competition - Runner-Up!
mad lemmey
Count
*******
*
*
Posts: 19854



« Reply #9 on: 12 June 2019, 09:05:21 PM »

So the answer is: Carefully!
Logged

Chekov's Gun, Occam's Razor, and Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle walk into a bar. You won't believe what happens next!

2016 Pendraken Painting Competion Participation Prize  (Lucky Dip Catagory) Winner 😎
sultanbev
Playtester
Captain
*
Posts: 404



« Reply #10 on: 12 June 2019, 11:26:01 PM »

I did try a quick google to see if there are any card models of LCTs that may be of use, rather than metal/resin/3D printed ones, but didn't turn anything up.

Mark
Logged
Wulf
Colonel
*
Posts: 1335


« Reply #11 on: 13 June 2019, 02:01:57 AM »

I did try a quick google to see if there are any card models of LCTs that may be of use, rather than metal/resin/3D printed ones, but didn't turn anything up.
Yeah, it's a foot long in 10mm scale, it would be HUGE in larger, more common, scales.
Logged
Wulf
Colonel
*
Posts: 1335


« Reply #12 on: 13 June 2019, 02:52:57 AM »

Didn't take long to find one though... And it'll only (ONLY! HA!) take 8 1/2 hours to print, albeit at less detail than I usually print...
« Last Edit: 13 June 2019, 03:05:46 AM by Wulf » Logged
pierre the shy
Lieutenant Colonel
*
Posts: 933



« Reply #13 on: 13 June 2019, 08:53:22 AM »

Looking at the more detailed landing tables for Juno Beach from here http://www.6juin1944.com/assaut/juno/en_landings.php

It appears that all the 79th Armoured Div ARVE's were carried in LCT 5's with 4 vehicles per LCT: 

Nan White and Nan Red
H Hour
Breaching Teams
LCT5's from 106 LCT Flotilla will land Breaching Teams at H Hour.
80 Assault Squadron, RE - T/Major Reginald Trery Wiltshire, RE
80th Assault Squadron was attached from the 5th Engineer Assault
Regiment, 1st Assault Brigade RE, 79th Armoured Division
"B" Squadron, 22nd Dragoons, was attached from the 30th
Armoured Brigade, 79th Armoured Division
26 Assault Squadron, RE and "B" Squadron, 22nd Dragoons, landed under the command of 8th
Canadian Infantry Brigade.
Nan White
Green Gap, 1 Troop - Lt John
Holland Saunders, RE
Serial 1408 is LCT5 2286 from 106 LCT Flotilla carrying:
1 x Sherman Crab (Cpl Cavill) with 5 crew - 1 Troop, B Squadron, 22nd Dragoons
1 x AVRE 1D (Lt Saunders) with Log Carpet and 6 crew - 1 Troop, 80 Assault Squadron,
RE
1 x AVRE 1C (L/Sgt Burnell) with Fascine and 6 crew - 1 Troop, 80 Assault Squadron,
RE
1 x AVRE 1E (Sgt Smith - WIA 6 June) with SBG Bridge and 6 crew - 1 Troop, 80 Assault
Squadron, RE
Serial 1409 is LCT5 2436, Lt Reginald Edwards, RNVR from 106 LCT Flotilla carrying:
1 x Sherman Crab (Sgt G. A. K. Crewe) with 5 crew - 1 Troop, B Squadron 22nd
Dragoons
1 x AVRE 1B with 6 crew - 1 Troop, 80 Assault Squadron, RE
1 x AVRE 1F Petard (Lt Oxtoby) and 6 crew - 1 Troop, 80 Assault Squadron, RE
1 x D7 Armoured Bulldozer (Spr Scott - KIA 6 June) with 2 crew - 1 Troop, 26 Assault
Squadron, RE
Logged

"this plan makes the Charge of the Light Brigade seem like a sensible military operation"
ianrs54
Playtester
Lieutenant General
*
Posts: 6977



WWW
« Reply #14 on: 13 June 2019, 11:24:05 AM »

Good stuff there
Logged

FOG IN CHANNEL - EUROPE CUT OFF HURRAY

Muppet of the year 2019
Pages: [1] 2 3 Go Up Print 
« previous next »
Jump to:  

Powered by MySQL Powered by PHP Powered by SMF 1.1.21 | SMF © 2015, Simple Machines Valid XHTML 1.0! Valid CSS!