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« Reply #15 on: 13 June 2019, 01:08:05 PM »

It appears that all the 79th Armoured Div ARVE's were carried in LCT 5's with 4 vehicles per LCT: 
I feel a diorama coming on...
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« Reply #16 on: 13 June 2019, 05:34:32 PM »

Whoaaaaaa - hold on. The AVREs have 6 crew? How dat den?  Lips Sealed
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« Reply #17 on: 13 June 2019, 06:03:11 PM »

Whoaaaaaa - hold on. The AVREs have 6 crew? How dat den?  Lips Sealed

From Wikipedia: "Crew was increased to 6 to accommodate a demolition NCO in addition to driver, commander, gunner, wireless operator, and co-driver/machine gunner."
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« Reply #18 on: 13 June 2019, 07:59:58 PM »

The Churchill was chosen for it's roomy interior, and with all the regular gun ammo removed (and so, I'd have thought, the regular turret loader out of a job...), and a limited supply or Petard Mortar ammo (for all it's blast capability the round is quite compact), there was plenty of space for engineering tools, demolition charges, and, it seems, an extra seat...  

EDIT: I guess from the list above the loader is now a full time wireless operator.
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« Reply #19 on: 13 June 2019, 08:12:30 PM »

 Shocked I did not know that - and I love the Churchill tank.
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« Reply #20 on: 13 June 2019, 08:21:29 PM »

LCT looks like a good option:

That picture has been annoying me... that's not an SBG, it doesn't have the winch framework on the rear deck. Looks more like the shackles for another fascine. Speaking of which, unless there's something weird about the depth perspective, that fascine is on the rear deck of the Churchill with the framework, despite it looking like the regular fascine support is under that framework... Bit of a weird trio.
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« Reply #21 on: 13 June 2019, 08:42:39 PM »

Is it another fascine carrier?

And what happened to its main armament?
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« Reply #22 on: 13 June 2019, 08:54:38 PM »

The spigot bomb isn’t attached / loaded / in place. That’s all.
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« Reply #23 on: 13 June 2019, 08:55:08 PM »

Think the photo was of an exercise - hence the disarmed tanks.  
https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/missinglynx/churchhill-avre-s-b-g-assault-bridghe-t317390.html


Hmmm ... could be the SBG

http://www.navsource.org/archives/10/18/180296.htm Suggests 2296 was a LCT(5).


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« Reply #24 on: 13 June 2019, 08:56:56 PM »

The spigot bomb isn’t attached / loaded / in place. That’s all.

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« Reply #25 on: 13 June 2019, 09:01:11 PM »

Hmmm ... could be the SBG
Now that is odd, how is that bridge lowered (and, yes, clearly that is indeed an SBG) other than by simply dropping it, which can't be a great method of placement? I can't see a winch at the back. Maybe a different arrangemant with a smaller winch or one behind the hull.
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« Reply #26 on: 13 June 2019, 09:04:09 PM »


To answer the Dieppe question, here's a photo of a couple of LST's used at Dieppe.  120' foot long. I'll be honest my LST recognition isn't that good ... but I'm sure one of you will identify the type.

"Three 39-ton tanks – code-named Ringer, Regiment and Rounder – sat at the front of the 120-feet-long landing craft. Alexander’s two vehicles, a tracked carrier and a Jeep, sat near the back."

http://elinorflorence.com/blog/dieppe-medical-corps
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« Reply #27 on: 13 June 2019, 09:11:30 PM »

They mention LCT8 in the previous link.

https://uboat.net/allies/warships/ship/17586.html
Says LCT8 was a LCT(1).

https://www.rmoutlook.com/article/disaster-at-dieppe-the-saga-of-lct-8-20121108


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« Reply #28 on: 14 June 2019, 07:23:05 PM »

Now I can get my Churchills to the beach... Still to do final cleanup & some fixes (so the SBG isn't fixed in place, it's propped up by a die).

The LCT  is printed more crudely than normal, because
a) It took 11 hours as it is...
b) I don't really need one, I just wanted to do it...

Note that the bulldozer is wildly out of scale, but that's the smallest it would print without losing bits, especially tracks & the blade support struts.

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« Reply #29 on: 14 June 2019, 11:33:06 PM »

Fab!
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