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Prophaniti
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« on: 03 June 2019, 12:30:38 PM »

I was putting together an Italian list last night and noticed that the fascist militia have a 1/30 AP attack.  When shooting at infantry and other low profile targets does this drop to zero?  It seems rather ineffective if the only way to get attacks is to flank or get to half range.  Some early war tanks are in the same boat.
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Dr Dave
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« Reply #1 on: 03 June 2019, 01:02:25 PM »

You never drop below 1, so no - you still get the one die.
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« Reply #2 on: 03 June 2019, 09:22:14 PM »

Ah - thanks Dr. - helpful clarity

Where do I see this rule please...book or here somewhere?

Ta
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« Reply #3 on: 03 June 2019, 09:42:40 PM »

Where do I see this rule please...book or here somewhere?

It’s been mentioned here by Big Insect - not sure where it might be in the book.
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« Reply #4 on: 03 June 2019, 09:58:48 PM »

Thanks Dave -

Ive missed that - much appreciated!
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« Reply #5 on: 06 June 2019, 08:23:35 PM »

No - you have not missed it - it's in the Special Characteristics section that no combination of attributes can make a unit impossible to hit.

It needs fleshing out in the errata and to be made more clear.
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« Reply #6 on: 07 June 2019, 08:47:25 PM »

OK, I have now found the Low Profile Special Ability but does that also apply to Infantry & Support weapons that are classed as Low Profile but do not have that SA ?

If so then why doesn't the section on profile tell you that !!!!

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« Reply #7 on: 08 June 2019, 10:04:39 PM »

Yes - all Infantry and Infantry Support are classified as Low Profile ... I don't have my rules book with me to give you the Page number, and most AT guns are also classified as Low Profile as standard.
There are exceptions and these will be picked out in the List Errata.

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« Reply #8 on: 09 June 2019, 08:05:13 AM »

Page 8 - top table - Profile
Command and Infantry units are Low Profile

Page 14 - below photograph - Profiles
Command units, troops on foot, light vehicles*, deployed guns*, and dug-in** troops of all types are classified as having Low profiles.

*it is to be picked up in errata that the light vehicles must be designated in the army lists specifically as Low profile. Likewise with deployed guns (including AT guns) as certain of them have a high profile.
** a designation of dug-in is also to be provided in errata

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« Reply #9 on: 09 June 2019, 12:05:27 PM »

Sadly my problem ended up being split between two messages on two topics so I still don't know the answer I actually need.

Low Profile on p8 doesn't mention there being any firing penalty for it, only visibility is mentioned

P14 refers to the Special Abilities for those other bases that would be affected than those listed. If I was looking for the effects of Low Profile on Infantry why would I expect to look in the SA section ?

Hence I do not know whether the -1 d6 applies to ALL firing at ALL low profile bases or just to those having the SA Low Profile or just AT (or what ?). It seems not to be mentioned in the Firing section as a modifier, nor on the QRS.



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« Reply #10 on: 09 June 2019, 03:26:41 PM »

Hi Tony

I think Mark mentioned this important change somewhere - but I've tried to find it - no joy im afraid. Will try again shortly.

I believe the intention is that any unit with a Low Profile has 1d6 deducted from any direct fire roll To Hit (never dropping below 1d6) - but Mark is your man on this.


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« Reply #11 on: 09 June 2019, 03:34:00 PM »

Tony

Found it !

7th May 10:27 post by Mark (Big Insect)...and then subsequent reactions after - see thread below...

http://www.pendrakenforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,18548.0.html

Its an Errata issue.

I guess as per any set of new rules ….Early adopters are finding (and helping to fix) the remaining issues/queries.

V happy to say that Leon says he is pulling something together now that explains some of the growing list of errata and clarifications - so all in one place - and much easier to find!
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« Reply #12 on: 09 June 2019, 09:30:17 PM »

Hi Tony

It does state very specifically at the top of Page 78 that you subtract 1 d6 from the attack value against Low Profile troops.
It refers you to Page 78 from Page 14 - Profiles.

The intention is that smaller vehicles, all Infantry and those vehicles specifically designated as Low Profile will benefit from being harder to hit.
With the list errata this will be further 'strengthened' so as to be more specific.

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« Reply #13 on: 15 June 2019, 08:01:39 PM »

Mark

Very helpful pointers at the Bootcamp today …

I'd like to make sure I understand the one around -1d6 for attacking units with low profile..

I believe that the rules should state that all low profile units get a benefit of -1d6 when attacked by direct fire (including infantry)
For clarity - is this benefit applied only when the unit firing is Average profile ?   E.g. Infantry vs infantry = no -1d6
Opportunity to clarity exactly what the rule should be for all low profile troops (not just those with the Ability) …..

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Adam
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« Reply #14 on: 29 June 2019, 08:01:07 AM »

Can you confirm this one for us please Mark?
Do I recall correctly please?
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Adam
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