Close Assault & Proximity Rules

Started by AJ at the Bank, 18 May 2019, 05:43:49 PM

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AJ at the Bank

Question - Can you CA units without a CA value? E.g. Trucks, Utility jeeps ....most Vehicles and Wagons

Per p33 under Movement rules....Proximity rules (second paragraph) confirm that units ..'..may not voluntarily move closer than 5cm to a visible enemy unit, unless making an Assault'.

Per p40 under CA rules ...'Soft-skinned vehicles (unless carrying troops) and soft-skins towing guns are Ko'd when they are between the assulting unit and it's target. They do not prevent the assaulting troops from making contact with the enemy.'

So in an example where the only enemy unit in sight and within move distance has no CA value ....or where assaulting during Initiative phase and can only choose to contact the nearest enemy unit (which in this example has no CA value) - what happens?

Do you
- (a) Have to Close Assault such a zero CA unit and then run through the normal CA rules (determination of any Support, Response Fire etc)? If so - it is possible for the Attacker to score zero hits and and then lose if hit by Defending Supporting units.
- (b) Have to Close Assault such a zero CA unit and automatically KO that unit upon contact - and then the assaulting unit can consolidate?
- (c) Dont have to Close Assault such a zero CA unit ....zero CA units (not carrying troops) are deemed to have no proximity barrier and can be eliminated on contact under a normal Move (either Initiative or Command Order)? However - proximity rules as written dont indicate that zero CA units dont have proximity...and therefore would require an assault to contact.
- (d) Something else?

I would hope either (a) or (b) - depending if ruling whether zero CA units can be Supported in a CA.


Welcome thoughts and clarification please
Thanks
Adam
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Big Insect

OK ... here goes ...

Do you
- (a) Have to Close Assault such a zero CA unit and then run through the normal CA rules (determination of any Support, Response Fire etc)? If so - it is possible for the Attacker to score zero hits and and then lose if hit by Defending Supporting units.
> If you Close Assault a unit that has no CA it is automatically KO'd - I'll clarify that in the errata.

- (b) Have to Close Assault such a zero CA unit and automatically KO that unit upon contact - and then the assaulting unit can consolidate?
> see above - why would you not do so - as you with auto-KO it to no risk to yourself. However, if there was another enemy unit with a CA that you could assault instead I'd rule that you could ignore the unit with no CA as your priority in the assault - this avoids Trucks being used like a wagon laager - athough it's a possibility of course

- (c) Don't have to Close Assault such a zero CA unit ....zero CA units (not carrying troops) are deemed to have no proximity barrier and can be eliminated on contact under a normal Move (either Initiative or Command Order)? However - proximity rules as written don't indicate that zero CA units don't have proximity...and therefore would require an assault to contact.
> No - you must take a positive action - under Initiative or Command - to assault any unit - except Commanders. This is deliberate. The 5cm rule is there for lots of very good reasons

- (d) Something else?

Does that help? Most units without CA stats are Transports or add-ons (like skis for example ... I will probably make bicycles add-on transports as well).

Thanks
Mark
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AJ at the Bank

Thanks Mark - that does help yes.


Can CA units with no CA ability - these are auto Ko'd on contact.


Cheers
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Big Insect

Any units with a CA value automatically KOs any unit with no CA value, as long as it assaults it, or it is overrun in the path to assault another enemy unit.

(so no wagon lagers of trucks  :D )
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