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« on: 03 May 2019, 10:49:49 AM »

In the French list 1940 the S35 is a restricted arc and that part of the reasoning was to simulate lack of radios and the lack of crew to operating the MGs and Gun. Those that were captured by the Germans and the limited numbers in 21st Panzer Division on DDay, would people maintain the "restricted" arc or go for 180. I'm only doing two models as I have info that 5th, 6th and 7th companies of 22nd Regt had a mix of them with Panzer IVs. Thoughts?
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« Reply #1 on: 03 May 2019, 11:48:01 AM »

I believe the Germans added new cupolas on their Beutepanzers, this improving visibility. Despite this I'd keep the restricted arc for the reasons you mentioned.
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« Reply #2 on: 03 May 2019, 01:01:57 PM »

OK Thanks.
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« Reply #3 on: 03 May 2019, 01:23:49 PM »

There is some doubt about combat use of the S35's on D-Day. They were in II Btn of 22nd Pnz Rgt which had 23, but there were 98 Pnz IV available, which would give two reasonable sized btns. Latest thought is that the S35's  were just used for training, like the 5 H35/9's on strength.

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« Reply #4 on: 03 May 2019, 02:34:07 PM »

21st had a new batch of Pz IVs in late May, but not enough for the full compliment, so my thoughts are that if they were in working order then they would have been thrown in! DDay Museum, Portsmouth UK that the loader for Sgt Thornton at Pegasus who hit an armoured tank near benouville was a French Somua Tank. I'm only fielding 2 or 3 anyway, so think I can get away with it.  Wink   
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« Reply #5 on: 03 May 2019, 03:08:48 PM »

I think one of the big attractions of the 21st Pz Div is the ability to field Beutepanzers. I have plans to and have the models, so why not Cheesy.
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« Reply #6 on: 03 May 2019, 03:20:41 PM »

indulge yourself!
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« Reply #7 on: 03 May 2019, 06:28:25 PM »

Fear not, I will Cheesy.
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« Reply #8 on: 10 May 2019, 02:50:11 PM »

Hi All,

Im a bit late to this thread, but Ive been looking into the use of captured French tanks in Normandy. Zetterling (Normandy 1944) has Panzer-Abteilung 206 operating in the Cherbourg peninsula with 28 H38/H39, 10 S35, 6 B2 and 2 R35.

Jentz (Panzer Tracts 19-1: Beute-Panzerkampfwagen) also lists Panzer-Abteilung 206, albeit with a slightly different composition: 16 Hotchkiss, 10 Somua and 5 B2 operational as of June 1, 1944.

Jentz also has Panzer-Abteilung 205 with 21 Hotchkiss, 17 Somua and 5 B2 on August 1, 1944. He states that the unit was sent in against the flank of the Allied breakout from Normandy and lost most of their Beute-Panzer in the retreat to Paris.

Additionally, Jentz has a brief mention of Panzer-Sicherungs-Kompanie./Sich. Rgt. 1010, which was created on 29Oct43. On 20Aug44, AOK1 in Ob. West reported that Sich.Rgt 1010 with 17 Somua-Panzer had been sent into action. From what Ive gleaned from online sources, it looks like the unit was operating south of Paris.

So you dont need to be tied to the 21st Panzer division to field S35s on the table.

Jim
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« Reply #9 on: 11 May 2019, 03:17:10 PM »

I'd say restricted arc is mostly linked to the single-man turret and overworked tank commander, factors which didn't change in the German versions.
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« Reply #10 on: 14 May 2019, 01:42:26 PM »

That is correct -  single-man turret and overworked tank commander - are the defining features for restricted arc, in this instance.

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