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« Reply #15 on: 10 February 2019, 06:50:37 PM »

Always worn as a true Scotsman.


Improves virility I’m told  Wink
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« Reply #16 on: 10 February 2019, 07:21:55 PM »

I just use the following specialist paints

Vallejo 1423 Cambell Tartan
Vallejo 1424 Cameron Tartan

Mix them together and you get MacDonald tartan  Smiley
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« Reply #17 on: 10 February 2019, 08:58:18 PM »

Unshaken 1422 gives close to the same result
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« Reply #18 on: 10 February 2019, 10:22:57 PM »

I just use the following specialist paints

Vallejo 1423 Cambell Tartan
Vallejo 1424 Cameron Tartan

Mix them together and you get MacDonald tartan  Smiley

What's the equivalent in Humbrol acrylics?

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« Reply #19 on: 10 February 2019, 10:52:26 PM »

eBay is showing several different types, Raider.
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« Reply #20 on: 10 February 2019, 10:56:14 PM »

Of you have to buy them in a plastic tube.
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« Reply #21 on: 11 February 2019, 01:27:35 AM »

The whole question about Scots C17 clothing colours is a bit of a grey area ☺
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« Reply #22 on: 11 February 2019, 01:51:57 AM »

 I don't want to see Wink
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« Reply #23 on: 11 February 2019, 07:55:49 PM »

Good catch Pierre. The subject is a bit hodden, err, I mean hidden....or is it hodden.......

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« Reply #24 on: 11 February 2019, 08:22:11 PM »

Double  I don't want to see Wink Smiley
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« Reply #25 on: 12 February 2019, 07:08:04 AM »

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« Reply #26 on: 12 February 2019, 12:38:29 PM »

Kind of answered your own question really, as 'tartan' is simply a Gaelic word for the patterned material.  Tartan doesn't mean the modern 'clan tartans' which didn't appear in their modern form until 19th century. The exception is the 'government sett' which appeared maybe 1725 - 1733 worn by the independent companies with General Wade.

Early materials likely had a local pattern and weave using natural dyestuffs available in the locale (coastal would have access to different colours than inland). The use of checked and striped materials is ages old among the 'Celtic' peoples of Western Europe.  So really you could paint them any way you like; if you want to give each group a distinctive colour I would feel free as noone could say with absolute certainty you were wrong.

Need to exercise care when using 'Covenanter'.  The Covenanters were those who signed the National Covenant in 1638 and maintained a somewhat militant attitude thereafter, it does not mean the forces of the Scottish government or 'The Three Estates' as the Scottish parliament was known up until about 1690 and comprised church, nobility and burgesses.  The Covenant was an oath to defend the Presbyterian Kirk of Scotland against all comers.

I'm a Lowland Scot so in 17th century I wouldn't have worn tartan or any kind of Highland garb, simple hodden in grey or whatever was available and a blue bonnet,  Likely have signed the Covenant as a presbyterian.

At the umpteenth attempt, must get lessons.

I agree with most of what SV52 has written.  As the famous Dungiven Tartan (circa 1600) proves, the material could be in the form of trews and not the pre-military style of shawl/blanket  "kilt".  Pliade is Gaelic for a blanket.

Local colours would depend on the availability of local dyes and the skills of the weaver.   These colours in time could be associated with a clan or extended family.   

Their regulation as Clan dress would be a very modern affair. 

Covenanters would as stated dress in sombre colours  as reflects their Calvinistic ethos.   
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