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« on: 01 February 2019, 10:31:21 PM »

Once of our big plans for this year is to finish off the revamping and expansion of our Ancients ranges, and with the Dacians/Sarmatians all done last year, we've now moved on to the Greeks!  These will be going into the drawer with the Dacians and we'll look at doing a large Ancients release in a few months time, once the Persians have been done as well.  

In this batch we've got:

Armoured Hoplites (Bronze Cuirass) x 2 / Armoured Hoplites (Linen Cuirass) x 2 / Spartan Hoplites x 2 / Psiloi Archers x 2:
AncGreek1 by Leon Pengilley, on Flickr


Psiloi Skirmiishers x 3 / Unarmoured Hoplites x 2 / Peltasts x 3:
AncGreek2 by Leon Pengilley, on Flickr

EDIT:

We've had the shields altered on the Greeks to make them a bit bigger, thanks to Techno for the quick work on these!

AncGreekNewShield1 by Leon Pengilley, on Flickr

AncGreekNewShield2 by Leon Pengilley, on Flickr



Thessalian Light Cav x 2 / Thessalian Hvy Cavalry x 2 / Greek Light Cavalry x 2:
AncGreek3 by Leon Pengilley, on Flickr


Mounted General x 1 / Command Group x 3:
AncGreek4 by Leon Pengilley, on Flickr


The sculpting list for the Persians will be going off to Phil this weekend so we'll pop up some pics of those when they arrive at Pendraken HQ next month.
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« Reply #1 on: 01 February 2019, 11:03:00 PM »

They are rather splendid - especially the Thessalian  cav which are not available anywhere else.

The shields do look a tad small on the hoplites though. They should be about 100cm diameter shouldn't they? I.e. over half the height of the chap carrying it.

Any more specific details in the ETA? Cheesy
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« Reply #2 on: 02 February 2019, 01:32:21 AM »

Fun, but must add my voice to reservations about the shield size.
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« Reply #3 on: 02 February 2019, 07:46:30 AM »

I'll see what Leon says about the shields.

If necessary, I'll do them a different way, by making a new 'master' and getting Leon to cast me up a few.

With this lot, I looked at a particular piccy, and basically went on that pic's proportions for the shield.....making my own press flat mould out of 'Instant Mold'.

Is it just the Spartan shields that look a bit small ?.....I made everything the same size.

Cheers - Phil
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« Reply #4 on: 02 February 2019, 08:09:08 AM »

A search for 'hoplon' should give some good examples for the shield. Shoulder to mid thigh (or knee) seems common. So these shields are on the small side.
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« Reply #5 on: 02 February 2019, 08:29:29 AM »

That's aspis shield - hoplon is the panoply  Cheesy

Hoplite 01 by Zippee Jerred, on Flickr

Hoplite 02 by Zippee Jerred, on Flickr

Hoplite 03 by Zippee Jerred, on Flickr

Hoplite 04 by Zippee Jerred, on Flickr

that said there's not that many images of an aspis with anything to easily scale against, above are the best I found with a quick google. I'd agree that the shields in the masters look just a little on the small side - they look earlier than the usual Classical - Persian War/Peloponesian War depictions. Almost like they are missing the rim. They should reach from chin/above shoulder to greave top basically

I'd also add that the hoplite spears look a tad short they should be 8-9 feet long. Overall the impression is rather more of a later Dark Age Germanic shield and spear figure dressed in classical gera - good for the Colosseum perhaps but not for Platea  Grin

Fantastic sculpts, love the Thessalians and the movement n the cavalry in general. Unfortuanetly I am so heavily invested in 15mm after 40 odd years that it would be insance to even think of swapping to 10mm, despite I feel the tug of temptation . . .
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« Reply #6 on: 02 February 2019, 08:39:59 AM »

Very excited!  Grin

I do agree with the others on the shields being a tad small. The sword the unarmoured hoplite is holding seems quite large too, most swords from the period were little more than a long dagger, around the length of your thigh from tip to pommel.

Regardless, excellent work and looking forward to the rest of the ancient ranges!
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« Reply #7 on: 02 February 2019, 08:54:15 AM »

Have to agree about the aspis. Sorry Techno.

The aspis is not as other shields. The weight (about 16lb) is partially taken on the shoulder, the forearm being used to guide movement.  There is also a distinct rim around the bowl shape.


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(Sorry again) Could the spear be looked too? Greek spears were double ended, with the "other" end having a sauroter (butt spike) on it. This shifted the balance point of the spear backwards allowing much more of the spear to be poked at the enemy. Those figures with the spear being used overhand need to have the spear moved forward, at least mid point, but up to 1/3 from the butt end.
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« Reply #8 on: 02 February 2019, 10:08:32 AM »

Did a bit of checking (I still had my original shield 'master' on the desk) and from what's been said....I should have used the 'next size up' on my 'pastry cutter' circles.

The shield that's on the figures, at the mo', (if my maths is correct) is between 1 and 1.5 mm too small in diameter.

That's a b*gger.....I know when I put that particular size up on the wee figures, I thought, "Ooo..that looks way too big."

Hey Ho..I'll get Leon to send those back once I've got a new shield done.



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« Reply #9 on: 02 February 2019, 10:11:56 AM »

Sorry
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« Reply #10 on: 02 February 2019, 10:48:08 AM »

Saw somewhere that the average height for an ancient Greek male was about 162cm (5'4") so a 91cm (3') aspis would look big regardless  Cheesy

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« Reply #11 on: 02 February 2019, 10:58:42 AM »

I give up.
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« Reply #12 on: 02 February 2019, 12:13:46 PM »

See ya.
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« Reply #13 on: 02 February 2019, 01:24:15 PM »

Maybe when a new range is being planned it might be an idea to solicit ideas from the forum members first so that the OCD perfectionists can get their ideas in first and thus  avoid this sort of scenario in future. Personally Im far more interested in Hellenistics than Classicals.
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« Reply #14 on: 02 February 2019, 01:26:49 PM »

With Osprey's Men of Bronze launching this year, these are an excellent addition.
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