India - Pakistan clash - token air war skirmish ?

[Sunray]

A reminder of that unresolved conflict over Kashmir real estate.

I get the feeling that the mutual nuclear capability will keep the confrontation a token one. 

This is a post war conflict that does not see a lot of game play.  At some levels this is surprising.  A lot of interesting Western/Soviet kit in use.  Some mighty serious tank battles over the years, and the longevity of the equipment.  That looked a lot like a vintage MiG 21 that was shot down.

However, no manufacturer - in any scale (??) does post war Indian or Pakistani figures.  Both armies were based on and share a lot of British character in terms of uniform and kit. From the 1970s Pakistan adopted the AK47,  but the .303 was still in use, and the Indians adopted the FN/SLR and manufactured the SMLE Mk3 in 7.62mm

Is it the lack of accurate figures that inhibits the action on the table?     

[FierceKitty]

I've been walking a bit of a tightrope at work, since I socialise quite a lot with an Indian and with a Pakistani....

[Techno]

I know where you're coming from Alexander.

When I worked for BT (a lifetime ago) quite a few of the contractors working on a new part of the exchange ('wot I worked in') were either Indian or Pakistani.

Until that point, I never realised how much folk from those two nations loathed each other.  ...They never confronted each other face to face..... But they loved to slag each other off to we 'neutrals'.
It was truly awful some times.

Cheers - Phil

[Matt J]

F-16 vs MIG-21 bit of a mismatch really.


As for interest, i think we are probably a bit of a eurocentric lot, if you are going to collect Soviet V US/Europe kit then probably cold war gone hot holds more interest maybe or Arab/Isreali.

[FierceKitty]

It's a bit depressing, really. Normally these two get on very well; the Hindu actually fasts over Ramadan to show sub-continental solidarity with her Muslim colleagues, and both sides invite each other to the "curry and chapatti" sessions that crop up a few times every semester. But the last few days the ice is forming on classroom windows when the rival groups pass each other.

[Sunray]

I was on a spot of 'contract work' in Kenya in the 1980s and socialised with the Asian community  in Mombasa. Hindu, Sikh and Moslem got on well together.  As one wise old man put it - "we remember Uganda." 

A key part of the problem is the long long social and family ties back to the Asian sub continent.  And the horrific collective memory of partition.

Britain's rush to get out was not our finest hour.   

[Raider4]

When I worked for BT (a lifetime ago) quite a few of the contractors working on a new part of the exchange ('wot I worked in') were either Indian or Pakistani.

Until that point, I never realised how much folk from those two nations loathed each other.  ...They never confronted each other face to face..... But they loved to slag each other off to we 'neutrals'.
It was truly awful some times.

Sadly all too common. I've met Scots who absolutely hated the English, and Turks ditto Greeks.

[Orcs]

I know where you're coming from Alexander.

When I worked for BT (a lifetime ago) quite a few of the contractors working on a new part of the exchange ('wot I worked in') were either Indian or Pakistani.

Until that point, I never realised how much folk from those two nations loathed each other.  ...They never confronted each other face to face..... But they loved to slag each other off to we 'neutrals'.
It was truly awful some times.

Cheers - Phil

Its still the same.  Since the more tightly controlled racism laws they are more careful who they say it to, but it still goes on.  I just try to ignore it

[Orcs]

Sadly all too common. I've met Scots who absolutely hated the English, and Turks ditto Greeks.

Went to southern Cyprus a couple of years ago and the place we got the hire car from said "You are not allowed to take this into the Occupation zone" meaning the Turkish controlled area. the grandmother of one of my colleagues was shot by the Tuirks during the invasion, so he is often less than polite about Turks, even though it was 45 years ago

[Sunray]

F-16 vs MIG-21 bit of a mismatch really.

I would question the level of mismatch where the PAF v IAF are concerned.  What when under the radar was that on Feb 27, 2019, the shooting down of first F-16 in the history of aerial combat - and it  fell victim to a 60 year old MiG 21 packing Vympeir R-73 AA missiles.

It proves that - in a free range dogfight - the Bison with its jackrabbit acceleration and turn is still deserving respect- especially when flew by Indian pilots.

What happened last week was no fluke.  In 2004, in Exercise Cope India,  the IAF in MiG 21s scored a 9:1 kill ratio against the USAF pilots in F-16 in the sky over Gwaliw.  

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