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« Reply #45 on: 11 October 2018, 08:12:03 PM »

"I thought the only difference between the early and late Russian infantry was the shako. "

It is as far as I know, and indeed, more recent research implies that even in 1812 most Russian infantry still had the 1809 shako, not the Kiwer. Not sure about the cavalry either, don't think they changed either. (You can tell I've never really looked at 1809 Russians....)

Looks like my arguement is in tatters and it's actually cheaper and quicker to start an 1809 Russian range than it is to finish the 1812 range. doh!
Although, many on my list would be suitable for the 1809 range.

Okay, re-reading the Osprey MAA185, it gets more complicated.
Shako from 1805-June 1809 plain with pompom, cylindrical backpack worn at angle, with metal mess tin attached (which means the previous bicornes were probably worn to 1807 in some units)
July 1808 the backpack replaced by rectanguler black one, rolled greatcoat slung over left shoulder (which means the cylindrical one was probably worn until late 1809 in some units)
shako with chords June 1809 onwards (which means the plain shako probably worn until 1810ish)

So for 1809 Russian infantry, you'd have 3 options alone, before you even get to the grenadiers in their fat bog-brush plumes, which I would suspect had similar options:
Grenadiers:
1) plain shako with bog-brush plume, cylindrical backpack
2) plain shako with bog-brush plume, rectangular back pack
3) shako with chords & bog-brush plume, rectangular backpack (June 1809-Feb 1811)
with {for later reference}
4) shako with chords & tall thin plume, rectangular backpack (Feb 1811-1812)

Jagers appeared to follow the line infantry patterns after dropping the top hat in 1806ish.

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« Reply #46 on: 11 October 2018, 08:13:30 PM »

Itís a pity this idea could not have been tried for the French Revolution remodelling and expansion. Would have saved me investing in 15mm. 😩

Which French revolution remodelling was that? Did I miss something? Because the current range has no cavalry....
And no infantry in top hats or korshuts and long tailed coats.

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« Reply #47 on: 11 October 2018, 09:31:16 PM »

I always think there is a massive difference between finishing off a range compared to starting a complete new one. Eg to finish the 1812 Russians would take maybe 11 codes, the first 5 essential:

Whereas you'd be starting from scratch with the earlier era Russians,

Mark


True but I see it as completing the 1809 range - Russia was involved as a belligerent after all  Cheesy

And you can backdate Austria with 2 packs of Hungarian fusiliers in helmets essentially

And the 1812 range is old, my understanding is it is in need of updating wholesale, not adding to. So in effect it also should start from scratch with remodelling.
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« Reply #48 on: 11 October 2018, 10:29:17 PM »

mark

You didnít miss anything. I just thought this idea of Not-Kickstarter May have been a way to do it. Cíest la vie!
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« Reply #49 on: 11 October 2018, 10:51:23 PM »

Just a quick note on the Revolutionary ranges as we've not discussed those for some time now.  The last time we chatted about redoing/expanding those ranges there was a lot of support for it, but the consensus was that folks wanted them done by Clibinarium.  That was really the stumbling block for it as Clib is very much in demand and his time is limited these days, so we weren't really able to proceed with anything.  If folks would be happy for them to be done by Tony (like our other Naps-era ranges) then we can look at it as a more feasible option in the future.

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« Reply #50 on: 11 October 2018, 10:57:25 PM »

If folks would be happy for them to be done by Tony (like our other Naps-era ranges) then we can look at it as a more feasible option in the future.

Ah, being new to this 10mm malarky I'm not aware of the differences between styles and who did what ranges.
The 1812 Austrians I'm painting at the moment look fine to me, but I gather they are an older range?
I'll see soon enough when the next package arrives as I've ordered some Rev Wars and 1809 stuff,

Anyways, if this 1809 not-kickstarter works, it'll give impetuous for a Rev Wars one later next year perhaps,

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« Reply #51 on: 12 October 2018, 02:57:35 PM »

NWU1 x 2
NWU3 x 1
NWU4 x 1
NWU5 x 1
NWU6 x 1
NWU7 x 1
NWU8 x 1
NWU11 x 1

Ta...

Oh and I’m cool with Tony doing the Rev Range as long as there are Dromedaries...
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« Reply #52 on: 12 October 2018, 03:23:40 PM »

Leon

It would not have mattered to me who did them. However, having now invested heavily in 15mm for the French Revolution I regret it will be of little interest.
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« Reply #53 on: 12 October 2018, 04:46:38 PM »

NWU1 x 2
NWU3 x 1
NWU4 x 1
NWU5 x 1
NWU6 x 1
NWU7 x 1
NWU8 x 1
NWU11 x 1

Thanks for that, added to the list!


It would not have mattered to me who did them. However, having now invested heavily in 15mm for the French Revolution I regret it will be of little interest.

I understand and it's a shame we've never been able to get something sorted out.  The Revolutionary ranges have been bounced around for many years and there was a large group willing to put the money in but it all got a bit messy and never got beyond the ranges we've got now.  The last time they tried to resurrect the project the consensus was for Clib to do the sculpting and that pretty much stopped any progress as we had other things on the go.

We'll come back to it at some point but I see it as part of the continued Naps expansion now, and it'll be scheduled in as we work through the different sections of the Naps period.
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« Reply #54 on: 12 October 2018, 04:58:51 PM »

Greetings

Hessians for me for a 1:20 brigade.

7 X NHD1    Line/fusilier, march attack   £5.25
1 X NHD2    Line/fusilier, firing line   £5.25
1 X NHD3    Line/fusilier command   £5.25
1 X NHD4    Mounted officers (5)    £1.75
1 X NHD5    Chevaux-Legers   £5.25
1 X NHD6    6pdr guns (Nap Austrian) with crew (3)   £5.25
1 X NHD7    7Ē Howitzers (Nap Austrian) with crew (3)   £5.25

So about £64.75, I think.

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« Reply #55 on: 12 October 2018, 05:59:18 PM »

7 X NHD1    Line/fusilier, march attack   £5.25
1 X NHD2    Line/fusilier, firing line   £5.25
1 X NHD3    Line/fusilier command   £5.25
1 X NHD4    Mounted officers (5)    £1.75
1 X NHD5    Chevaux-Legers   £5.25
1 X NHD6    6pdr guns (Nap Austrian) with crew (3)   £5.25
1 X NHD7    7Ē Howitzers (Nap Austrian) with crew (3)   £5.25

Thanks for that Edward, much appreciated!

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« Reply #56 on: 12 October 2018, 07:54:44 PM »

Hi Leon

Put me down for £100, not sure what packs yet. Didn't have any plans for Naps but feel like I'm missing out otherwise  Cheesy

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« Reply #57 on: 12 October 2018, 07:55:43 PM »

That's the spirit!
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« Reply #58 on: 12 October 2018, 08:34:59 PM »

Just a quick note on the Revolutionary ranges as we've not discussed those for some time now.  The last time we chatted about redoing/expanding those ranges there was a lot of support for it, but the consensus was that folks wanted them done by Clibinarium.  That was really the stumbling block for it as Clib is very much in demand and his time is limited these days, so we weren't really able to proceed with anything.  If folks would be happy for them to be done by Tony (like our other Naps-era ranges) then we can look at it as a more feasible option in the future.

 Cool


Whilst I have all the admiration in the world for Clib's sculpting skill (and not a little bit of evil green jealousy) I'd actually prefer for the Rev range to be sculpted by Tony - and the rest of the Nap range too. I'd much prefer uniformity of style within a particular set of linked ranges than having it spread about - it's not talent levels it's compatibility.


So I'd be all up for a Rev War non-KS at some point - will need a period of painting grace though for this one  Cheesy
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« Reply #59 on: 12 October 2018, 08:36:07 PM »

Hi Leon

Put me down for £100, not sure what packs yet. Didn't have any plans for Naps but feel like I'm missing out otherwise  Cheesy

Matt

Spiffing example, now if just every forum member would be so gracious and community spirited all these non-KS projects would get funded and we'd all be happier for it.

Huzzah for the hive minded community!
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