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Started by fsn, 20 July 2018, 01:53:28 PM

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fred.

From a bit more googling I think they may well be launch systems about 17s into the below video, then a bit later too
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FqHuOMFZKCo

Searching for Neblewerfer ammo trailer comes back with closed ones.

There are certainly a few launch systems that are just open crates, rather than the more traditional tube arrangement. Hardly feels that open crates would have given much accuracy, but then again perhaps not really the idea of a WWII rocket system.
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03 November 2020, 06:05:55 AM #137 Last Edit: 03 November 2020, 06:10:05 AM by OldenBUA
The trailers are the 28/32 cm Nebelwerfer 41, which is a transport and launch system. The vehicle shown is a tracked and armoured transport, and the same chassis was used as a mount for the 15 cm Nebelwerfer launch tubes, as shown in the later picture.
Launching from the crates was quite common for some Nebelwerfer types. A google search for Wurfrahmen should give some examples. Other types are using tubes. Accuracy is never very high in both cases. But the rockets have special vents that give them spin, which helps somewhat.
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As OldenBUA says a transport and launch system, some more information in the above video at about 6:20
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From the video Paul links it looks like the crate launched systems have a much lower range c2km rather than 7km for the tube ones. The projectiles also look quite different, which might mean there is a lot less propellant in the crate launched ones.

Most of the pictures I've seen on the crate launchers on carriages, use a carriage with a single joined trail (like a 2cm flak) whereas those in the photo fsn posted have split trails, much more like AT guns or Neblewerfers. May just be a field expedient model. As I did find a photo of the crate launchers attached to the barrel of a field gun!
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There were at least three versions of the rockets, 280mm and 300mm HE and a 320mm incendiary.
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OldenBUA

Yes, and these rockets are very different in shape from the 15cm/21cm rockets that were launched from the well known launchers with tubes shown at the beginning of the video that paulr linked.
They were also attached to the sides of a SdKfz 251 halftrack, in their transport/launch crates. This was known as the 'Stuka zu Fuss', i.e. Stuka on foot. Four of them together on a frame make up the Wurfrahmen launcher. Or six can be transported and launched from those trailers. It's the same rockets every time, just different launch systems.
The amount of propellant in these rockets is about the same for all of them.
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In the last couple of weeks new pictures have been released of a Challenger 2 with a new prototype camouflage pattern, the pattern officially known as MCDCS-5 (Multi Colour Digital Camouflage System number 5) is an ongoing trial at the ATDU (Armoured Trials and Development Unit) at Bovington. What we know (which isn't a lot) is that the pattern is hand painted by brush and roller and is a mix of Matt and Semi Matt finishes. The work was done by Babcock in cooperation with DSTL (Defence Science and Technology Laboratory).
We think it's pretty cool looking, what do you think?


Well to be honest Gary, I think it's going to be a swine to try and capture in 10mm. Matt and semi matt? What are you trying to do to us?
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Techno II

I agree, Nobby !

Those do weird things to my eyes  @-) @-)....Which I suppose is more than half the point.
Douglas Adams would probably class those as being covered in a SEP field.

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Raider4

The Americans have tried that sort of thing for uniforms in the past - not sure if it's still current or if they've moved on/abandoned it.

The Navy guys are wearing it in the Godzilla movie from a few years back (not the Matthew Broderick one!)

fred.

I do look at these "digital" patterns, and wonder why they are done with straight edges and right angles? I get the multiple colours, and the irregular overlapping shapes. But straight edges still stand out.

Also once moving, any vehicle let alone a tank is pretty obvious, and once stationary they tend to add foliage.

It certainly won't be fun to paint on 10mm tanks!
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sean66

The Chinese have these Squares and shapes on a lot of their vehicles at the moment.
even their Marines have their Vehicles in various shades of Blue as Camouflage.
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Matt J

It's for digital combat, minecraft camo
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Well I'm not going to try it on 6mm tanks ! X_X
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Aside to being almost impossible to paint, i'm not sure how well it would work at distance, as the colours and tones would tend to blend together IMHO. A good way to tell is to take a B&W photo of it which shows whether the tones blend or not, a trick learnt from my modelmaking days.