East African/Abyssinian Campaign

Started by Gazza, 25 June 2017, 03:48:33 PM

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Quote from: GrumpyOldMan on 27 June 2017, 01:53:21 AM


Dear Grumps.

Can you explain this photo? I see that it's called "Italian troops surrender Ethiopia", but they do seem to be somewhat armed. Also, do my tired old eyes deceive me, or is there a German officer in the front rank? Or is it an Italian in a really battered cap?

Is it about 1941?
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Perhaps they were offered "Honours of War" ?

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Westmarcher

My thought also. Have seen paintings and prints from the 18th Century depicting similar formal surrender ceremonies (e.g., Yorktown 1781?).
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Gazza

A caption I have seen claims, 'Italians "saluted" into surrender by South African troops.'
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lowlylowlycook

From what I've read, at least in Ethiopia,  the Italians were quite insistent on getting the Honors of War.

Gazza

Quote from: lowlylowlycook on 27 June 2017, 04:08:20 PM
From what I've read, at least in Ethiopia,  the Italians were quite insistent on getting the Honors of War.

It is also reminiscent of Lettow-Vorbeck's surrender in 1918, although he was technically undefeated.
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Gazza

Looking at more proxies - Falangist Militia from the SCW range would also work as Italian infantry. Would German Askari from the WWI East Africa range do as Italian Royal Corps of Colonial Troops do you think? I will start working up a proxy list for your (dis)approval. I say, this thread is generating some interest!
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Natxo

As far as I know, when the Duke of Aosta surrendered, the Italian Army in Ethiopia had fought a bitter campaign against the Allies. He asked for, and was granted, a full honours surrender.

That is why the italians, marching in front of the south african troops presenting rifles, carry their weapons.

Please add my voto for this request.

I am using a lot of references to play this period. WW1 eearly germaan askaris for the italian ones (although Italy never gave backpacks to the askaris), sudan Mahdists as freedom fighters, etc.

For the British forces it is not a problem, moost of them used helmets or slouch hats, you can see a few in the picture.

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