Master list for the new Korean War range - Input required!

Started by Leon, 25 October 2016, 09:44:17 PM

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Which of these ranges would you be most likely to buy first?

American - Early war kit
11 (20.4%)
American - Later war kit
18 (33.3%)
British - Tropical kit
7 (13%)
British - Commandos
11 (20.4%)
British - Later war kit
21 (38.9%)
North Korean
32 (59.3%)
South Korean
12 (22.2%)
Chinese - Summer kit
12 (22.2%)
Chinese - Winter kit
25 (46.3%)

Total Members Voted: 54

Sunray

Quote from: Leon link=topic=15019.msg217373#msg217373 date=14774282

b]British[/b]
In tropical shirts, long trousers and bush hats (right side folded up)
2 x Advancing with rifle
1 x Standing, firing rifle
1 x Kneeling, firing rifle
1 x Prone, firing rifle
1 x Bren MG, advancing
1 x Bren MG, prone firing
1 x HMG Vickers with separate loader
2 x Officers
1 x Radio Operator
1 x M20 3.5 bazooka with separate loader
1 x 4.2" mortar with 2 crewmen
1 x Throwing grenade
1 x Casualty



Attached is the provisional list Early Korean war Brits.

Supposing we were to sculpt the shirt outside the trousers and add a mix of berets to the bush hats ?  I ask for two reasons:
First we already have thee bush hat sculpts in the WW2 range- not a great seller ?
Secondly, the beret was worn in the Far East from 1945 onwards and would give an outstanding proxy range.
If you google Commando WW2 far east you get a nice image of Col Young & Co

fsn

Quote from: Sunray on 24 September 2017, 01:39:49 PM
Supposing we were to sculpt the shirt outside the trousers and add a mix of berets to the bush hats ? 
Hmmm. Far be it from me to disagree, but I don't see a lot of shirts outside the trousers. I'd prefer to see nicely tucked away shirts. If a choice, I'd prefer berets (or Tam o'shanters)to bush hats - though they would be useful for Aussies. 

Aussies


Define "early". First units in were the Middlesex Regt and Argyll & Southern Highlanders.

Argyll & Sutherland highlanders 1950


Middlesex Regt
  Not the same kind of hat as the Aussies at all.


One for Techno. Middlesex Regt radio operator, but I don't know the date.

Some images here of Middlesex Rgt in berets and tropic shirts
http://www.gettyimages.co.uk/event/aug-approximately-4-000-british-infantrymen-arrive-in-korea-52262904?esource=SEO_GIS_CDN_Redirect#sergeant-major-interviews-one-of-the-many-volunteers-for-service-in-picture-id2659366

Shropshire LI? July 51?



For the list ...

3
x Advancing with rifle
1 x NCO
1 x Bren MG, advancing
1 x HMG Vickers with separate loader
2 x Officers with SMGs?
1 x Radio Operator
1 x M20 3.5 bazooka with separate loader
1 x 4.2" mortar with 2 crewmen
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Sunray

Well sourced Nobby.  The first units in from Hong Kong were in  tropical kit.  The Aussies wore/and wear the Campaign hat. Its their national costume.

"Shirts in" is barrack order in the far east.  Shirts out is the slacker order when in combat.  I can show you images of Royal Welch in far east,   shirts wet with sweat/monsoon rain and  open to the waist. 

Its Leon's train set- he sets the parameters - I just don't a costly range of figures that have limited appeal. We currently have three bush hatted figures that will work in WW2 range. Do we want all Korean early war so attired, or a mix with beret that gives options ?


fsn

So we're talking bush hat - not slouch hat? i.e. like this?


Sounds good to me. I'll probably mix in some cap comforters too.  :D



A shot from the excellent documentary "A Hill in Korea".


Image of a Centurion tank being given a drink.
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Quote from: fsn on 24 September 2017, 08:24:16 PM
Image of a Centurion tank being given a drink.


8th Hussars still watering the horses perhaps  ;)
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Quote from: mad lemmey on 24 September 2017, 10:26:11 PM
FSN,
Please, it’s KSLI. King’s Shropshire Light Infantry
I stand corrected.  =)

Quote from: paulr on 25 September 2017, 12:01:18 AM
8th Hussars still watering the horses perhaps  ;)
I think that's become one of my favourite Centurion photographs.  :D
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Techno

So.....

What am I making next ?  :-\

I make it that the 'groups' left are the Brits in tropical kit, and the two lots of the Chinese.
I THINK all the others will be completed by tomorrow.....I've just got the vickers m/g and his loader to do some final tweaks to.

Cheers - Phil

Sunray

Quote from: fsn on 24 September 2017, 08:24:16 PM
So we're talking bush hat - not slouch hat? i.e. like this?

Yes, the "Digger" slouch hat is a proper hat,  the Brits wore floppy bush hats in the Far East from WW2 to early Korea, when the first units arrived from Hong Kong

On the onset of the first winter they received first, battle dress, ribbed sweaters and leather jerkins.  Then in came the popular hooded smocks & cap comforters, although we do still get berets

By summer of 51, the bush hat was back, and as the second winter approached, the gabardine combat jacket began to be issued - this was to become the M58 that was worn until the 1960s and the advent of DPM.


Sounds good to me. I'll probably mix in some cap comforters too.  :D



A shot from the excellent documentary "A Hill in Korea".


This is a great image of

Sunray

Quote from: Techno on 25 September 2017, 10:01:49 AM
So.....

What am I making next ?  :-

I make it that the 'groups' left are the Brits in tropical kit, and the two lots of the Chinese.
I THINK all the others will be completed by tomorrow.....I've just got the vickers m/g and his loader to do some final tweaks to.
:-
Cheers - Phil

Early Brits do need to be done. The options for Leon  :-

(1) Bush hat and shirt tucked in

(2) similar figure with beret & shirt in
             
(3) perhaps a few in woolly pully sweaters with beret ? 

Or, a careful  mix of all three ? (I have opted for the shirt in as - with beret- it could be painted as WW2 battle dress ) Officers perhaps in the beret/SD cap and sweater?  A British officer in a sweater with web & revolver would have a long proxy life in command groups.  When I discussed the figure options with Phil, there was potential in a very British senior officer type for late WW2 & post war. 

And remember we have 4 figures already in WW2 range - 2 riflemen in bush hats, a bren gunner and sten in Digger hats.
I have used them in 1960s era bush war, and I know some have painted them up as French Paras in Indo China

All four are good for Korea !  :-bd

Techno

I'll wait for 'da boss' to see what he fancies out of all that lot.  ;)

Quote from: Sunray on 25 September 2017, 10:44:17 AM
When I discussed the figure options with Phil, there was potential in a very British senior officer type for late WW2 & post war. 

He's done...I'll send a piccy up very soon.

Cheers - Phil.

Leon

If we keep the wooly sweaters for the officer types, then we can have a mix of hats/berets for the regulars. 
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Techno

Sounds good to me....I'll do ONE and send a pic so I know I'm on the right lines.

My head's spinning at the moment jumping from '1815' to the Korean War and back again, and finishing off the last two back banners for the Mezoamericans. (They were horrid to do)

(And I haven't finished off that Vickers machine gun yet......That went well wrong.  X_X ~X( X_X ~X( X_X)

Cheers - Mr My Brainhurts.

Sunray

Quote from: Leon on 25 September 2017, 04:08:33 PM
If we keep the wooly sweaters for the officer types, then we can have a mix of hats/berets for the regulars. 

Executive decision !  :-bd  These will work well.  The Very Senior Officer that Phil is talking about is in SD cap, doublebreasted jeep coat and with a map case - desiged for the autumn/winter of 1950 but  ideal for any BKC/CWC command group from 1944 onwards.

fsn

 :) Sounds like a plan.





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