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Question: Which of these ranges would you be most likely to buy first?
American - Early war kit - 9 (7.2%)
American - Later war kit - 16 (12.8%)
British - Tropical kit - 6 (4.8%)
British - Commandos - 9 (7.2%)
British - Later war kit - 19 (15.2%)
North Korean - 26 (20.8%)
South Korean - 10 (8%)
Chinese - Summer kit - 9 (7.2%)
Chinese - Winter kit - 21 (16.8%)
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« Reply #135 on: 05 March 2017, 01:18:59 PM »

Hmmm.... Have to admit, as one who knows absolutely frig all........The 'tube' of the bazooka must have been incredibly well balanced......and then...the actual 'shell' had to be inserted into the back....unbalancing the whole thing......(?)

I assume...That firing the shell, would mean it wasn't particularly accurate...unless you were really close to the target ?

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« Reply #136 on: 05 March 2017, 01:23:01 PM »

All of these early infantry AT weapons, where hugely inaccurate. So you had to be very brave and get close to try to ensure a hit. As you would give your position away when firing due to the back blast.
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« Reply #137 on: 05 March 2017, 03:52:06 PM »

Tube type A/T weapons fall into two categories. First the rocket type, such as the bazooka and later soviet RPG7, secondly the higher velocity recoilless rifle like the Swedish Carl Gustav or as we knew it- the Charlie G.

The CG has an allegedly recoiless explosion in the chamber that propels the missile. The bazooka has a rocket that is ignited in the chamber.

The latter would tend to have less trauma on the operator.  The pressure waves generated by prolonged close proximity to a Charlie G tube - especially in the prone position  generated their own baptism of sh*t, blood and tears.  (-1)  Whew!
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« Reply #138 on: 05 March 2017, 06:04:37 PM »

I learn more and more, each day. Thanks, Gents.  Smiley

Presumably......If you were to fire a bazooka in a prone position......You'd have to be a bit careful that you didn't get a scorched backside, or leg.  I don't want to see

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« Reply #139 on: 05 March 2017, 06:22:38 PM »

http://www.lonesentry.com/manuals/bazooka/bazooka-operation-m1a1.html



I could only find drawings, so it does seem that it wasn't a favoured pose.
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« Reply #140 on: 05 March 2017, 06:25:08 PM »

I learn more and more, each day. Thanks, Gents.  Smiley

Presumably......If you were to fire a bazooka in a prone position......You'd have to be a bit careful that you didn't get a scorched backside, or leg.  I don't want to see

Cheers - Phil.

Can be done - the M20 had that frame which might have been an issue - the real hazard with both types of weapon is the back blast - so it was the No2 who had to watch his arse, leg or more likely ....his ear!
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« Reply #141 on: 20 March 2017, 07:57:38 AM »

I've seen some photos of them being fired prone.

That's why the M20 has a bipod, which is useless for kneeling or standing and firing.

Of course, it would be of use when firing from foxholes or trenches too.

http://regimentalrogue.tripod.com/blog/M20_3-5-inch_rocket_launcher_009_600px.jpg

http://www.koreanwaronline.com/history/oz/OzImage/bazsup.jpg

http://www.koreanwaronline.com/arms/images/35three.jpg

http://modernfirearms.net/userfiles/images/grenade/m20/1301229055.jpg

Online drawings/instructions show that a 30 - 90 degree angle from the weapon being fired is best:

http://www.ctia.com.cn/TungstenNews/UploadFiles_7335/200912/20091206235535245.gif

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/library/policy/army/fm/23-25/23250059.gif

Here's a link to some pics of the B-300 bazooka being fired from the prone position too.  Direct link doesn't work for me, but you can see it (currently one row down from the top, at least for me, on the left).  It looks very similar to the M20 bazooka. 

https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&site=imghp&tbm=isch&source=hp&biw=1280&bih=631&q=3.5%22+bazooka+firing+prone&oq=3.5%22+bazooka+firing+prone&gs_l=img.3...1772.11686.0.12073.25.14.0.11.0.0.397.1797.4j9j0j1.14.0....0...1ac.1.64.img..0.13.1672...0j0i24k1.oLjOdsAU5XQ#hl=en&tbm=isch&q=prone+b300+bazooka+&*&imgrc=_&spf=2008





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« Reply #142 on: 20 March 2017, 09:31:54 AM »

Thanks Rob.

These images are indeed most useful.

The first image intrigues me!  British Battle Dress, 37 patt web, and an American grease gun SMG !
Not the post war late Sten or early Stirling that you would expect.

The key question is the origin of the image.  It looks like a posed training manual set up.

41 Commando Royal Marines used US kit and uniforms in Korea, but if them - why Battle Dress ?
Can't be Aussie as they had the Owen.
Could be Canadian . But was the M3 issued to Canadians ?
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« Reply #143 on: 24 March 2017, 09:29:53 AM »

I was wondering about that too.

Sometimes, if you click on the link, to the left of the button to increase the size of the photo in Google Images, it will lead you to a page that provides more info.

I honestly don't know who is using it that way, but suspect perhaps it is the Danes, since they apparently wore surplus British uniforms after WWII, and some of their squad leaders, and/or others (?) used SMGs.  

They also had a lot of American weapons too, so that seems like a probable source.

Ah, looks like perhaps I'm wrong, given the Canadian pamphlet (lots of good photos of it in use here as well):

http://regimentalrogue.tripod.com/blog/index.blog/2335550/35inch-rocket-launcher-m20-super-bazooka/

Here's a quote from one of the links at the bottom of the page, on the left:  

"Super-Bazooka can be fired off the shoulder, thanks to the skeletonized shoulder stock attached below the rear part of the barrel, and an optional folding bipod can be fitted to fire weapon from prone, supported position. Some Super-Bazooka launchers were also provided with retractable support monopod, located in front of the shoulder stock".

Finally, here's the link to the Field Manual for the 3.5" Bazooka (it's a free PDF):

http://www.koreanwaronline.com/history/Bazooka/1.pdf

Page 3 of the M20 Field Manual shows photos of the standing, sitting, and prone firing positions. 

The latter is aligned to the weapon like your M72 LAW gunner is (legs about 70+ degrees away from the weapon's barrel axis), so perhaps he might be just modified a bit to make him a M20 3.5" Bazooka Gunner firing from the prone position.
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« Reply #144 on: 24 March 2017, 09:51:05 AM »

Well sourced Rob!  I have no idea why Canadian Army should pose with M3 Grease Gun.  Although no doubt they held small stocks for training purposes - or indeed joint ventures with US Army ?
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« Reply #145 on: 24 March 2017, 10:47:30 AM »

Don't don't realise the loader was on that side and had his feet f'ward t'ward the enemy to reload!
Might have to rebase some figures!  Cheesy
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« Reply #146 on: 24 March 2017, 11:59:20 AM »

I wouldn't bother.  It is a highly exaggerated drill book pose.   In combat the prone firing position would be a lot more concealed - no one - not even a Jock in a kilt - turns his exposed arse on the enemy at close range !  Evil

In prone firing of the Charlie G, the No2 faced the same way as the No1 and usually used left hand to support the barrel.   Their bodies would be in a mirror image V
with the 84mm nestling between them.  As a No2 you need to be cognisant if your shot missed/ F/P compromised and you need another position.

Ian can confirm, but I suspect the M20 Bazooka had a similar deployment 
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« Reply #147 on: 24 March 2017, 12:05:26 PM »

Or it's just the Canuks getting it wrong! Grin
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« Reply #148 on: 24 March 2017, 12:08:22 PM »

I have the highest respect for our Canadian cousins in terms of their battle skills.  But its the nerds that write manuals and what works/looks good on the firing range.
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« Reply #149 on: 24 March 2017, 12:23:16 PM »

Absolutely!
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