English Grammar

Started by Leman, 17 February 2015, 07:50:20 AM

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getagrip

Language evolves to its usage; always has, always will.

If you look at the language of Shakespeare (and my degree was in exactly that) the language of the time is almost unintelligible to a modern English speaker.  This was only 500 years ago!

We can argue about the rights and wrongs but it is going to happen.
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Quote from: getagrip on 17 February 2015, 11:01:00 AM
If you look at the language of Shakespeare (and my degree was in exactly that)

Are you saying you're so old they taught you in Middle English ... Oh! ... No! ... Wait! .... OK .... I see what you mean ;)

More seriously, I agree that language changes and evolves, which, so far as I'm concerned, is as it should be.
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getagrip

Quote from: Ithoriel on 17 February 2015, 11:35:33 AM
Are you saying you're so old they taught you in Middle English ... Oh! ... No! ... Wait! .... OK .... I see what you mean ;)



;D

At times it did feel like that especially when we started the phonic construction of middle English.  I've used it every day of the last 18 years of my career...hmm... :-\
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WTF  Gadzooks!  "I think we've all arrived at a very special place. Spiritually, ecumenically, grammatically." (Captain Jack Sparrow).
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Roy

tis an area that i'm always bothered about (especially on forums, where i've to type everything). got kicked out of english gcse at school and didn't learn much prior to the expulsion.
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getagrip

Quote from: RoyWilliamson on 17 February 2015, 12:21:17 PM
tis an area that i'm always bothered about (especially on forums, where i've to type everything). got kicked out of english gcse at school and didn't learn much prior to the expulsion.


The most important function of grammar is to make yourself understood so, if you can achieve that, there's no problem  ;)
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Lord Kermit of Birkenhead

dont forget one of the great irish novels of the c20th was written without punctuation - ulysses by james joice its unreadable im told

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Quote from: Subedai on 17 February 2015, 10:45:12 AM


Call me a Luddite -no offence intended,

I'd never be offended to be called someone who wanted a living wage for living work!

Ned got painted (unsurprisingly) in a very bad light.
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Quote from: toxicpixie on 17 February 2015, 12:40:06 PM
Ned got painted (unsurprisingly) in a very bad light.

Photo of the figure please.....

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That help?

I think one of the Pendraken civvies packs has a suitable figure for you ;)
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If he keeps using the chainsaw, the value of his work will soon go up.

FierceKitty

Ah, yes. The age-old right of man to insist that your right to do something badly is sacred, and the hell with everyone else who's footing the bill.

I hate to agree with Ian about anything, but I've never been able to read more than fifty pages into Joyce.
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Subedai

I've heard of James Joyce...but never never read any of his comics, did he write the storylines for Marvel while Stan Lee drew the pictures?

And I am complete agreement with FK on this one. Two wrongs definitely do not make a right.
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IIRC a Victorian clergyman decided to 'standardise' spelling and grammar at some point in the 19th Century and so have been saddled with his whims ever since. When I was at school in the 70s grammar was not fashionable and so we were only taught the basics. I find many of my Austrian friends have a better grasp of English grammar than I!!!