Pendraken Miniatures Forum

Me and A mate watched all of season 12 today (1st season with Tom baker) .

It was a long day and very enjoyable.

So we got talking and said 10mm Dr.Who wars!

He then said, I can make a 10mm Dalek... I think he's wrong but I hope I proves me wrong!

I thin said, let's do it..

So we're doing a commander, a unit and a support/veteran unit per race.

Races are:
Sontaren (standard unit, tank)
Dalek (Dalek humans, Daleks)
Cyber men  (Cyber unit, cyber scout)
Ogryn Mercs (Ogron and Ogron Vets)
Humans (Mariens and tanks)
UNIT (Troopers and Hev wep teams)
Vogons (guardians and Malisher)
Galafrayns (Galafra guard and Time lord unit)

Leon's senna out some dollies soon... This could be awesome (or poo...)

Sorry for the re-post...

Leon has sent out some dollys and other bits I need. Keep your eyes on this post for the wip pics of the dr who range that me and my mate (he has just joined the forum as Dim reaper, please welcome him) are doing.

Vulpine

 :-w

Hurry up...I want to see these ! ;)
Hope they go well....I'm sure they will !!
Cheers - Phil.

Ain't got the dollys yet... Do the dolly's have faces and hands already sculpted? There the bits I fear the most!

Don't know...But it is dubious.

Quote from: Vulpine on 30 September 2012, 10:51:30 PM
Ain't got the dollys yet... Do the dolly's have faces and hands already sculpted? There the bits I fear the most!

No hands, but they do have basic faces I think.  It's basically a torso with legs and a head.

Good,I fear the face most. Although most will need converting to look more alien and such.

Daleks first.

Just got the dolly's! Daleks first lud? There ants bag.


I'm just doing Vogons, Ogrons and cybermen

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Ok then! First coat of modelling putty. I've done no detail yet but the basic body shape is there. Once dry ill trim and add bits to it and take it from there.

Coming along nicely V ! :-bd
Cheers - Phil.

My son will definitely want any Daleks that are made! On a small but possibly important note, are there any copyright issues with this?

Unfortunately I can mould them but only print them for my self :( unless Leon knows a way?

I'm doing:
Cyber force
3 Different Cybermen advancing
2 Different Cybermen firing
1 other Cyberman (possibly kneeling or a leader)
1 Cyber controller

Vogan Force
1 Vogan leader
2 Vogan advancing
1 Vogan firing
3 Vogan Militia

Ogron Mercenerys
3 Ogrons

or you can do what GZG do and call them mad robot war machines, or something similar.

It's not the beeb it's black tree design who might get the hump.

I think you'll find Auntie might well get the hump as well V.
Especially for any of the 'newer' Dr Who stuff.
Cheers - Phil.

There is no new doctor who! There ain't been one since McCoy..... Ok baker II!

 ;D ;D ;D

Quote from: Steve J on 02 October 2012, 06:48:21 PM
My son will definitely want any Daleks that are made! On a small but possibly important note, are there any copyright issues with this?

There may well be unfortunately.  The BBC have been 'very protective' of Dr Who in the past (oh the irony!) 

https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2008/05/knitwit-bbc-goes-after-dr-who-fans (https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2008/05/knitwit-bbc-goes-after-dr-who-fans)

However, it would appear that things aren't clear cut in terms of who owns the various rights (copyright, trademarks, etc.).  For example, Terry Nation's Estate retain the rights to the Daleks (and the BBC  pay through the nose to continue to use these iconic villains).

Ultimately i guess Pendraken will know what risks they want to take with this.

Perhaps making figures 'inspired by' rather than directly copying will make things acceptable.  BTD after all make direct images and market them under the Dr Who banner.  I've no idea what rights they've purchased to do this.

http://www.blacktreedesign.com/uk/home.php?cat=2297 (http://www.blacktreedesign.com/uk/home.php?cat=2297)

Fingers crossed though...Dr Who minis would be cool!   :D

Quote from: Luddite on 03 October 2012, 01:04:38 AM
Ultimately i guess Pendraken will know what risks they want to take with this.

Vulpine is sculpting them for his own personal use, so we're just going to mould them up for him to save him having to sculpt hundreds!  That aspect will be dealt with by our contract casting side (separate business), so it won't be anything to do with Pendraken.  Commercially speaking, everything 'Doctor Who' is copyrighted, so it's not something anyone would be advised to get into.

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Quote from: Leon on 03 October 2012, 01:25:47 AM
Vulpine is sculpting them for his own personal use, so we're just going to mould them up for him to save him having to sculpt hundreds!  That aspect will be dealt with by our contract casting side (separate business), so it won't be anything to do with Pendraken.  Commercially speaking, everything 'Doctor Who' is copyrighted, so it's not something anyone would be advised to get into.

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:D

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Ok, I've done some more, including the Cyber Controler. The pics don't do them justice (I'm going to say that!) but I'm seeing Ludite this sat (belive it or not Ludite, that ain't his real name!) ill show him, he doesn't beat around the bush (so his wife says) he will clarifie my skill ;)

Like to see some 'cleaner' piccies 'V'....
But from what I can see, you're doing a grand job !
Cheers - Phil.

Ill see what I can do... I only have my Iphone

Here is a question for Leon (I would ask via email, but I thought others might be interested), if I want a mould (that holds 30x10mm models) to have, say 5 identical darleks, do I need to make 5 or can you press the same model in the mould multiple times?

Thanks

If you're seeing that nice Mr Luddite on Saturday, perhaps he could take some piccies ??....Maybe ??
Cheers - Phil.

Quote from: Vulpine on 03 October 2012, 05:25:08 PM
Here is a question for Leon (I would ask via email, but I thought others might be interested), if I want a mould (that holds 30x10mm models) to have, say 5 identical darleks, do I need to make 5 or can you press the same model in the mould multiple times?

You'd need to make 5 of them as the mould can only be pressed once.  It depends though on how many you need for your games?  If you need 30 total, then you could sculpt 3 and we'd have to spin the mould 10 times, etc.  The more you need total, the more sculpts it's better to have, to save on casting time.

Right, so you can't put one master model into one mould 5 times? One model per mould?

For exsample, say you have Fantesy orcs with cross bow and one mould has 10 of them in that mould, you had 10 master models presse into the mould at the same time. You couldn't press the same model in the one mould multiple times? If that make sense?

Oh, another pic;
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.... To be more simple. If we have a mould with 10 Daleks, so evry time I ask you to make me a unit of ten, it would be better for you if that one mould had 10 darleks in it. Does that mean I have to make by hand 10 separate Daleks for you to make that mould up.

Or: You find someone to cast in resin. But I don't know if someone could do it in 10mm.

  :o What about our leader (Leon) I would rather die than turn my back on him!!! Hang your head in shame Barbarian   =)


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...I meant : Then you send these casts to Leon to make a mould...

Normally, we take a load of individual sculpts, and put them into a master mould.  So each master mould will contain 30+ different figures.  We then spin this mould repeatedly to create master castings.  Once we have enough of these, we use them to make a production mould.

We could do this for you, but it means you'd be paying out for several moulds?

With ya... Or I just say "Leon 12 Daleks" and you has to make it 12 times  ;D (I did this once with some winged monsters, Leon wasn't happy)

The darleks are the only one, so I think we will just make a few of them for the mould.

It's just that we only have 30ish models per mould.

The rest, as its going to be a skirmish game (all on individual small round bases) I didn't want a load of repeat models.

For example, the Cyberman are probely going to be in units of 7. As I have a leader model and four others  it means that you ain't going to have a load of obvious duplicates.

The Vogons are going to have two different squads, units of 10 with three different models each (so you end up with 2x3 and 1x4)

I'm also doing Ogrons, these are just an Mercenary unit so two will do.

Lucky for us U.N.I.T (Falkland British) and Humans (Sci Fi) are sorted already by Pendraken
Future human pic: http://stagevu.com/img/thumbnail/ltzsojbkphcdbig.jpg

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So Dim Reaper has to do (I'm guessing at the Variants)
Dalek x3
Special Wep Dalek x1
Dalek troops x0 (will also use pendraken sci fi humans)
Sontarens x3
Sontaren Genral x1
Gallifrey High Councillor x1
Gallifrey guard x3
Time lord warrior x3

Once we have the above made we will then do a Charictor mould,
All 8 classic Doctors
The master
Davros
A TARDIS  (perfect objective marker)
Raston warrior robot
And possibly a few more races (Autons, Draconions, Zygons, Ice warriors, Silurians etc)

Well Lud ..?

Luddite had a look at one of my cybermen in the flesh. So what did you think? You know I think it's amazing. However with that attitude ill neaver inprove so, what did you reckon? Put it this way, if thos models were on the Pendraken shelves, would you use thos models yourself?

I've got to say they're lovely little sculpts old chap.

The cybermen are somewhat iconic to say the least (well the classic series ones are) and you've captured that iconography pretty damned well.

I know they're not finished yet so the only comment I'd make is that the 'metal' parts (helm, and beastplate-pauldron arrangement) needs to be a bit 'crisper' with sharper edges.  I know the source material has these area rounded off, but as a modelling conceit i think they'd look better being a bit sharper.  But other than that, very good sir. 

'I'd buy that for a dollar'... ;D  ...and i'm certainly looking forwards to seeing them painted up.  Silver with a black ink wash should do it!


On a side note; it's enough to inspire a chap to have a go himself... :D

Thanks man!

I could try cornering them a tad (not 90• but possibly 45 and a 45 hexagonal top) see what it looks like.

I've done some Vogans also, there looking good also, I'll post some of them later.

Painting wise, yeah, spray black, heavy drybrush metal, ink, chill 8)


I really want to paint them... But if I do I don't think Leon can mould them up.

Quote from: Leon on 03 October 2012, 01:25:47 AM
Vulpine is sculpting them for his own personal use, so we're just going to mould them up for him to save him having to sculpt hundreds!  That aspect will be dealt with by our contract casting side (separate business), so it won't be anything to do with Pendraken.  Commercially speaking, everything 'Doctor Who' is copyrighted, so it's not something anyone would be advised to get into.

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Yeah, things are fine as long as it's for personal use, it's just when your selling it and/or trying to pass it off as the real thing where the problems start. However, if you gave them "not" names such as "exterminatorcons" for daleks or "Deletabots" for cybermen, you could sell them as "Not" versions.
I come across this a lot with my art commissions, people tend to want me to do them a painting or item that is star wars or another tie-in. I'm Ok to do the job for them as long as its not for commercial use, just private.

Loving your progress so far, Can't wait for your "Exterminatorcons" though! It's a shame your not doing them in 15mm, I do really want some of them in 15mm......!! ;)

For Xmas I would like some 10mm not-Daleks and not-Cybermen please. I've been a good girl all year and Santa would get milk and cookies, or equivalent in exchange.  :-*

It's Leon who decides on 10mm Robotmen and Peperpot robots, giving Leon the milk and cookies might be a better plan (although the evidence of this thread would need removing).

And you know for certain, that there's no-one who works for Auntie already on the Forum ?
There'll be certain other companies that watch Pendraken, who are here already.
Cheers - Phil.

Well, that dose not mean anything really. It's 'my' work inspired by Dr Who. I'm not saying "buy these cybermen" or "dr who models here!"

Just like Barbarians chaos. There very GW chaos warrior looking, but they ain't duplicates and they are his own work.

No V....You're quite correct.
But if they were offered for offered for sale..there could well be a problem if anyone relevant got wind of it.
It wouldn't matter in the slightest if they were called something else, if the Beeb took exception to them.

All they'd need to do is threaten action, knowing that they could afford to do this....A small company wouldn't be able to take them on....EVEN if the little company was in the right and the models were 'different' enough.
Doesn't matter who's right and who's wrong....It's which company has the most money to throw at something. ;)

Cheers - Phil.

Just change the title of the topic... ;) in Pr.What.

Your right Tecno, I was talking to my solicitor mate last night and he was saying the same, it ain't right or wrong it's who's bigger and more powerful.

If anyone from the beeb has seen this, only the top dogs would be bothered, most the employees Hate there employer and so won't give a monkeys hat.

It's up to Leon if he want to put them online to order and if they are offended he can take them off.

I don't give a gibbons handbag as long as I get my cyber/Vogan/Dalek army!

Although having produced models for sale would be cool!

And just to be clear to the pedants. I've not offered to buy them either. I just want Santa Claus, an imaginary person, to give me a present i.e. a wish, and wishing is just that, nothing more.

It does seem like it is a bit of a grey area though, irregular sell a "not" Dalek in their 6mm range, and they seem to be doing fine without the men from Auntie getting on their backs.

Maybe, someone could ask the guys at Irregular, and see if they have any stick from the beeb about it?

I did remember something someone told me ages ago about how companies (usually from china etc) manage to make and sell "not" Disney stuff, by just changing small aspects of the design, costume or colour. The things still looked like the real Disney stuff, just not Disney! I'm wondering if that might be a way of doing it? However, some research in copyright/trade mark type law may be a good idea.

Quote from: Paint it Pink on 08 October 2012, 02:24:29 PM
And just to be clear to the pedants. I've not offered to buy them either. I just want Santa Claus, an imaginary person, to give me a present i.e. a wish, and wishing is just that, nothing more.

Do you think He'll fetch me some in 15mm for Crimbo as well...!!!

It's not something Pendraken will be looking to get involved in, we've got enough on the Requests list to keep us busy for quite a while yet!  Once Vulpine has had them moulded up, it's up to him what he does with them.

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Ah ha!!!! Watch my eBay page lol ;)

Quote from: Vulpine on 08 October 2012, 04:45:00 PM
Ah ha!!!! Watch my eBay page lol ;)

:D ;D

Any budding sculptors, heed my warning....

I finished my Cybermen, removed them from there sticks and placed them away safley.

I then started doing my Vogans. I finished three militia and they look good, there based on some monk models from pedraken. Unfortunately I realised to my despair that they tower over the cybermen.   >:(

So the militia are binned, but I've done a 10mm that fits in now, he's looking sharp!

Oh, anyone wanting to try there own cybermen, here is a good resource site:

http://cybermanbuildersgroup.yuku.com/directory#.UGn8O7e9Kc0

Now at first I thought, thos people are so SAD! Then I thought, mmmm I would love a proper cyber suit, wounded if they will let me join there group  :-\

I got two of the new series cyberman helmets from a carboot sale, they only cost me a quid each! They are an ideal starting point to a full suit (I got them so I could make a LARP one out of foam and latex, but I'm too skint to fund it!)  :(

That was wrong in so many ways,

1) "I got two of the new series cyberman helmets" There aint no new Dr Who Series
2) Even if you belive that the new Dr Who is official, the cybermen are not cybermen. There built on earth, not Mondas.
3) LARPing... no comment

I used to work in the LARP industry making weapons and armor, Its good money making bodysuits for folks (things like that tend to go for £500+ easily) So as you can imagine a new who fan would pay quite a bit for a decent one.
I don't do it anymore myself, not for 20 years and don't think I would suit a cyberman costume anyway. The nearest thing I would get to that is wearing the helmet, getting drunk on absinthe and waking my neighbors up by screaming "delete"! (I haven' tried it yet, but I did try and shoot his garden gnomes with a crossbow whilst sozzled last year!)
I know all the Who fluff and the new ones are not the same as the low budget versions, which is a good thing as they have stopped looking like S&M gimps with miners lamps taped to their head, covered in bacofoil!  :o

 :o I can't believe what your saying about classic Cybermen!

Cybermen say "Excellent" "No, noo, NO"  and "take the patrol.. Across" not "delete" 

Quote from: Vulpine on 08 October 2012, 06:04:04 PM
Any budding sculptors, heed my warning....
I then started doing my Vogans. I finished three militia and they look good, there based on some monk models from pedraken. Unfortunately I realised to my despair that they tower over the cybermen.   >:(

You're not the first...You won't be the last V. ;)
Not by a long chalk !! :D
Cheers - Phil.

8th models ever sculpted.... And I'm already on it!

Ok... Here is the plan

As we can only get 30 guys a mould and as its a lot more cost effective to print the whole mould than get individual models this shal be the plan.

First set- The Daleks’ Master Plan

1x Cyber Controler
1x Cyber Leader
6x Cybermen
1x Vogan Leader of the Gardians
3x Vogan Gardian
3x Vogan Militia
1x Time Lord Councillor
3x Chancellery Guard
3x Time Lord Warriors
1x Darlek Special weapon   
7x Daleks (Could be Invasion Leader or supreme Dalek )

Now as far as Sales are concerned... I think it's got a little out of hand, Leon/Pendraken do not own these models, they will be mine although Leon will get my sculpted masters and make a mould for me. Then I can produce them for my self. However I personally can do as I wish, paint them, hoy them out the car window at stray Cats, put them on eBay or Sellotape them to my forehead and whatever, either way it will have nothing to do with Leon or Pendraken at all.


Hope that clear....

The plan for the next set looks like this...
Ogron Mercs
Sontaren Captain
Sontarens

Vogan WIP

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Vogan Militia

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Vogan Militia from behind

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Vogan Gaurdian

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Vogan Leader of the Gaurdians

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Sorce material

Looking good sir.

Thank you sir, thank you

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10mm Cyber controler waiting for his squad of cybermen

Time Lord Warriors

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This is my WIP of a Time Lord warrior.
This unit was not actually in the TV program, the only troups from Gallifrey are the The Chancellery Guard who  were responsible for security and law enforcement on Gallifrey and were not Time Lords. In the rule system we will have the CG as basic troups and the Time Lord Warrior unit will be an elite squad of time lords (not the Doctor himself). They will be very Jedi-ish. Although I have no basis for them, I would have thought that during the time wars some Time Lords did actually have to fight. So here they are!

Right here we go then:

First up, I've done my Time lord Castellan. They can basically be your commander and give you redeployment rules.
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Here is the WIP model:
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Next I have the rest I the WIP Time lord warrior squad:
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Now, I got very distracted with the next one... Its very early WIP but i had to show you guys... intoducing ...
The Dalek:
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Sorry to keep replying to my self (actually, I feel a tad lonely) but for the people who just read...

All my masters are done and they are now heading towards Pendraken Towers to be made into a master mould! Exciting times!

Models Sent:
7 Cybermen
1 Cybercontroler
1 Dalek (to be multiplied)
1 Vogan Leader of the Guardians
3 Vogan Militia
5 Vogan Guardians
1 Time Lord Castellan
3 Time Lord Warriors
5 Chancellery Guard

These guys arrived with us this week, so we'll getting Vulpine's mould done soon hopefully.  For a first attempt at sculpting, I think they look pretty good.  You can see who's who (!), the different races/peoples are easily identified, and once they're cast and painted, I think Vulpine's going to have a rather nice game sorted!

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Thanks!

So now the nitty gritty is done we are planing to post up some Free PDF rules and some supliments for our Doctor Who Skirmish game, based mainly on the time wars. Hopefully you will all play the game and give us feedback on the rules and we can keep them as living rule books, all changing as we go on. Here is what our planned realises are;

1) Rules - Time wars - Core Book
The main rules and squads to play Time Wars
• The Rules for playing
• Two main army lists
  - Time-Lord/Earth/U.N.I.T/Draconian/Ogron
  - Dalek/Troopers/Ogron/Sontaren
• Basic gaming Scenarios

2) Campaign book - Time Wars - Neo Phobis
A scenario book based on The cyber wars. That had the Cybermen fighting the Earth and Vogan Allience.
• Additional units for the core book:
   - Vogan (Gardians and Militia)
   - Cybermen (Patrol squads and Cybermats)
• Scenarios based on the Cyber wars
• Historical Cyber and Vogan/Earth alliance army lists for use only in cyber wars scenarios

A) Mould one - Time Wars/Cyber Wars
This Mould will include four main army's, two for the core book (Time Lord/Daleks) and two for the Neo Phobis Campaign book (Cybermen/Vogans) It should include:

• Time Lords
1 Time Lord Castellan
3 Time Lord Warriors
5 Chancellery Guard

• Daleks
1 Invashion Leader
7 Daleks

• Cybermen
1 Cybercontroler
7 Cybermen

• Vogans
1 Vogan Leader of the Guardians
3 Vogan Militia
5 Vogan Guardians

3) Campaign book - Time Wars - Exterminate  
A scenario book based on The Dalek Civil war between Davros and his empire and the Renaged Daleks.
• Additional units for the core book:
   - Davros
   - Dalek Emperor
   - The Master
   - Suicide Dalek      
   - Doctor I, II and III
• Scenarios based on the Dalek Civil wars
• Historical army lists to be used only for the Dalek civil war Senarios (Davros's Daleks and The Renage Daleks)

B ) Mould two - Dalek Civil Wars
This Mould will include models for use in the Dalek Civil wars Senarios but also a good booster pack for Dalek Armies. It should include

• Davros
• Dalek Emperor
• The Master
• 10 Daleks
• A Special weapon Dalek
• A Suicide Dalek      
• 5 Dalek Troopers
• 3 Ogrons
• Doctor I
• Doctor II
• Doctor III

4) Campaign book - Time Wars - Renegade  
A scenario book based on The life of Morbious and the massive conflict of Morbious and his mercenary army and the Doctor with his strange  alliance of Draconians, Sontarans, Human, Ogrons, Ice Warriors and Cybermen army's and then this book continues through to his rebirth as a monster.
• Additional units for the core book:
   - Morbious
   - Morbious's monster
   - Ice (Warrior) Lord
   - Ice Warriors
   - Sisterhood of Karn
   - Doctor IV and  V,
• Scenarios based on the Morbious wars
• Historical army lists for use in the Morbious War scenarios.

C) Mould Three - Morbious Wars
This Mould will include and models mainly for use in the Morbious wars Senarios but also some good units for the main Time Wars game such as the Sontarans.
• Morbious as Time Lord
• Morbious as monster
• Doctor IV
• Doctor V
• Draconian Leader
• 5 Draconians
• Sontaren Commander  
• 5 Sontarans
• 3 Ogrons
• Ice Lord
• 5 Ice Warriors
• 3 Sisterhood of Karn
• 3 Cybermats


However none of the above is set in stone, I am doing the models and my good Friend 'Dim Reaper' is working on the rules. However I'm sure we can think of more campaigns based on exciting and  interesting time periods during Doctor Twos long life span. Lets also not forget the many other interesting races still missing, such as thr Sea-Devils/Silurians and Zygons and so far we have only touched appon the many interesting characters and Regenerations of the Doctor and surly no battle field would be compleat without Brigadier Lethbridge-Stewart?

I think I've found a site that can be even more annoying than photbucket. ;) ;D
imageshack !! Drives me round the bend with all the pop-ups.... >:(

Any chance you could put the piccies up on the forum direct V .

Looking good though !!
Cheers - Phil.

Hi Techno,

Thanks man,

For some reason I can't. When I did my Zulu table Leon managed to mod it and they came up direct.

What I may do is ask Leon with his superior camera and model taking skills to take a picture of the finished product.

Another thing I must tell you all about is the Doctor Who book "Warmonger"  a BBC Books original novel written by Terrance Dicks. It covers Borusa's (The Time Lord President for the five doctors and other TV episodes) but I mainly got it as it covers Morbious. In the fantastic episode "the brain of Morbious" it talks of himas a Renagade Time Lord who caused a grate war, but that's the last we see of it on the TV. This book is set during the wars "The Doctor then manages to persuade a number of Draconians and Sontarans to join his (Human) army.... As the campaign grows, Ogrons, Ice Warriors and Cybermen join the Doctor's forces".

It got a poor review for two reasons. First why has Perri become such a good Gorilla fighter.... she stuck on a war torn planet for a year, that changes a personality (look at the burger waitress sarah connor.

The other complaint is the Alliance and the odd mix... In my view its fine, there ain't no good and evil, "The enemy of my enemy is my friend" and that's how it is.

So all in all I thought/think (I ain't quite finished the book yet) it was a really good book.

Quote from: Techno on 26 October 2012, 07:16:26 AM
I think I've found a site that can be even more annoying than photbucket. ;) ;D
imageshack !! Drives me round the bend with all the pop-ups.... >:(

Any chance you could put the piccies up on the forum direct V .

I've gone through and linked the pics direct in all the posts, so they should be visible now.

Yeah!!!  :D

Damn good effort....especially for a first attempt V.
Did you bottle out of giving the Dalek any 'balls' in the end ? ;)
Wouldn't blame you at all if you did !
Cheers - Phil.

I wouldn't say bottle... Ok so I did, but the fact of the matter is, they would have looked worse not better.

Now, We have plans in the pipeline (see above)  for a second Dalek release, these will be recasts of the metal ones. As the metal will be an easier foundation to work on I may* try for a MK2 Dalek, that may have "balls"

However, at the moment I'm thinking about Morbious's monster, Speshial weapons Daleks (Daleks designed to kill other Daleks!)  and Sontarens! 


* I said may

Got some of my models!!!! I ain't had time to sort them yet but here is a a sneak peak:

http://img203.imageshack.us/i/imagegrsr.jpg/

http://img208.imageshack.us/i/imageaus.jpg/

http://img202.imageshack.us/i/imagejre.jpg/

http://img191.imageshack.us/i/imagexxd.jpg/

http://img837.imageshack.us/i/imagegeh.jpg/

http://img443.imageshack.us/i/imagehqwf.jpg/

http://img13.imageshack.us/i/imagetdn.jpg/

http://img16.imageshack.us/i/imagepay.jpg/

http://img191.imageshack.us/i/imageiqft.jpg/

http://img821.imageshack.us/i/imagesgh.jpg/

I've painted two units!!!

http://img854.imageshack.us/i/imageooqt.jpg/

Vogan Guardian unit (and Leader)


http://img15.imageshack.us/i/imagewlw.jpg/


Cybermen (and Cybercontroler)

http://img651.imageshack.us/i/imagerksn.jpg/

Cybercontroler thinking... Evil thoughts

http://img542.imageshack.us/i/imageuae.jpg/

Vogan Guardian "Sneaking!"

http://img819.imageshack.us/i/imagelru.jpg/

I think you should be pretty damn proud of those V.... :-bd
Cheers - Phil.

Thanks Mr. Techno !  :-[

The Vogan range is quite nice, I really like the bullied underdogs. They were only in one episode (Revenge of the cybermen) but they were a very cool race. Hiding always worried but at the same time they had a drive to get out there as a main race. In the game rules they won't be the best trained warriors in the whoniverse and they weapons and equipment will be poor but they will be a fantastic hit&run type of force. Perfect on there own and even better as an allied attachment.

The Cybermen. I'm happy but I do think that when I'm better I will re-do them. The overalls look fab and I think I've got the movement of them, that slow but never stopping stride just right, I just ain't 100% on the heads.

Daleks are nice, but I do feel defeated on the 'skirt balls' but they do look really good. I'm very pleased.

The time lord set, the Chancellery guard look good but ill know more once there painted. One time lord warrior model, so far won't cast properly, but the other two are nice.

All in all, yeah, my first time sculpting and my first time painting 10mm, I'm reasonably pleased with my self.   

Exceptional work Vulpine old chap.

:D

Thanks Lud!

Quote from: Luddite on 01 November 2012, 11:51:53 PM
Exceptional work Vulpine old chap.

Well said, Sir  :)

They look very good indeed, and I like the hexagonal bases you've got them on as well. I've followed this project with great interest. Many thanks for sharing.

Now where's the 10mm cybermats!?!  :d

Hi Thanks Blaxkleric!

Cybermats? Well, the rules will be in the second book, coming out just after the first (an thats soon). But the model won't be until the third mould (out with the forth book)

Ok,

The armies are well on there way now, most being painted and based and the Rules for our game are being written. Here's the pics of the units we have painted:

U.N.I.T Deploying from a truck (Using Pendraken models)
(http://homecinema.thedigitalfix.com/protectedimage.php?image=GaryCouzens/drwhodayofdalekspic.jpg_27092011)
(http://img197.imageshack.us/img197/448/imagezpn.jpg)

Cyberpatrol:
(http://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/944x531/p00nxzzp.jpg)
(http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/8282/imagecxo.jpg)

Chancellery Guard WIP:
(http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20120826180221/tardis/images/6/69/Guard_(The_Five_Doctors).jpg)
(http://img836.imageshack.us/img836/1973/imagevrw.jpg)

Vogan militia:
(http://images.doctorwhonews.net/image.php?path=guide%2Fepisodes%2Frevengeofcybermen.jpg)
(http://img818.imageshack.us/img818/8085/imagezzqc.jpg)

Human Troops based on the episode Earthshock (using Pendraken SciFi):
(http://stagevu.com/img/thumbnail/ltzsojbkphcdbig.jpg)
(http://img707.imageshack.us/img707/8933/imagezowl.jpg)

Dalek Troopers (using Pendraken Sci Fi):
(http://img543.imageshack.us/img543/4210/imageqod.jpg)
(http://www.historyvortex.org/ResurrectionDaleksPh_005.jpg)

Vogan Guardians (WIP):
(http://images.doctorwhonews.net/albums/userpics/10001/revenge_1.jpg)
(http://img15.imageshack.us/img15/4703/imagewlw.jpg)

CyberControler:
(http://news.bbc.co.uk/nol/shared/spl/hi/pop_ups/03/entertainment_doctor_who_monsters/img/11.jpg)
(http://img542.imageshack.us/img542/763/imageuae.jpg)

Daleks!:
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-BIxrFNmt-QY/TeSzkoKsUDI/AAAAAAAACNg/2dHACaXzqGw/s1600/WHOPIX11.jpg)
(http://img805.imageshack.us/img805/5334/imagenrj.jpg)
(http://img849.imageshack.us/img849/9959/imagehtlu.jpg)

Note: That Purple Dice is actually large, not just a odd scale unit of Daleks.

Hope you all like them!

Hi Vupine
got the figures today  8) just like to say they look great, I'll start painting them this weekend ready to take on my Pendraken Unit figures.
thanks for the gift.  :)
regards
Sean

No problem mate! What do you think to the above pics? I'm actually (before junior apprentice starts) doing some basing of my DW stuff at this exact moment.

Unfortunatly Vulpine
the MOD psam filter wont let most pictures through it so I cant see any of the pictures on the forum. but luckily for me I have the sculpts in my hand and they look spot on form my long memory of watching DW in the early 70's. will be able to play a small FUBAR game with the U.N.I.T. figures againts some Daleks this wek end.
once again thanks very much for sending them to me.
Sean

Hi mate, ill email you some  8)

Me and my mate Ant (AKA Dim reaper) have taken ages discussing rules for our doctor who games and also the scenarios, how armies will work together, how the force choices work and pts sytems, stats etc. as well as my sculpts of our first set of models (see above) and Leon and Pendrakens work on making my sculpts into a mould so I can have a mass army of cybermen and my mates Time lord force as well as his scary Dalek force.

But we have got it all together and got two (mixed and avrage) forces painted and based so we can play test. It went really well! All in all Ants sytem works, a few small things need sorting and such, but I hope that by Xmas we should have a PDF link posted of the rules for you all to use.

We're already play testing and sorting our 1st supliment based on the Earth alliance (see DW TV ep Earthshock) including the Vogsns (see TV ep Revenge of the cybermen) against the Cybermen. This book will add the Vogan race as well as the Doctor (4th) to the original Time war book.

Also, I've started thinking and planing the 2nd supliment based on Pre Time Wars Dalek scenarios including the civil war caused by Davros. The book will include rules for using the Doctor (1st 2nd and 3rd) the Master, possibly a few more Dalek units and the Movelens. Davros will allow pure Dakek armies and it will also include  brigadier lethbridge stewart who will allow pure U.N.I.T armies,

Then the 3rd supliment based on the Morbious Rebelion (see DW book Warmonger) this will bring in the rules for the 5th Doctor as well as Morbious. The Morbious rules will include him before his banishment (a fantastic warlord leader for time lords) after his banishment (a determined warlord outcast full of revenge)  and finally his monster form (an insane combat monster!). It will also have rules for Sontaren, Ice Warriors and Draconion armies.

Ive started sculpting on models for the 2nd mould based on the 2nd and 3rd supplements:.

So here we go...

Davros:
http://img542.imageshack.us/i/imagefng.jpg/
http://img542.imageshack.us/img542/2792/imagefng.jpg

Special Weapons Daleks:
http://img818.imageshack.us/i/imageyya.jpg/
http://img818.imageshack.us/img818/9168/imageyya.jpg

Sontaren:
http://img809.imageshack.us/i/imageanfb.jpg/
http://img809.imageshack.us/img809/8507/imageanfb.jpg

Morbious (as monster):
http://img831.imageshack.us/i/imagejof.jpg/
http://img831.imageshack.us/img831/2986/imagejof.jpg

The Doctor (in 4th incarnation):
http://img593.imageshack.us/i/imageiifl.jpg/
http://img571.imageshack.us/i/imagepth.jpg/
http://img571.imageshack.us/img571/2718/imagepth.jpg
http://img593.imageshack.us/img593/4357/imageiifl.jpg

Quote from: Vulpine on 09 December 2012, 08:30:15 PM
Me and my mate Ant (AKA Dim reaper) have taken ages discussing rules for our doctor who games and also the scenarios . . .

Hi, I don't know if you've seen this: http://www.drwhominiatures.co.uk/index.html (http://www.drwhominiatures.co.uk/index.html) ?

Cheers, Martyn
--

Thanks mate,

I think they must use Blacktree/Harlequins range.

Our game is more squad based than skirmish. Our game is based more on units then people inside of units. If that makes sence. For example, 40k, based on squads and individuals in squads. But our game is a step away from that but not as far as way as the usual 10mm ge were the whole squad is on one base.

But that site might be a good hand and reference point!

Thanks!

Just putting up some pics of some play testing and WIP pics of some painting.
Hopefully our Doctor who rules will be up for around X-Mas time for you to all have a look at.
Hopefully you will have a go with the rules and give us feedback... Hopefully help us play test?

http://img837.imageshack.us/i/imagevcj.jpg/

http://img831.imageshack.us/i/imagegulr.jpg/

http://img687.imageshack.us/i/imagekohv.jpg/

http://img818.imageshack.us/i/imagewhi.jpg/

http://img13.imageshack.us/i/imageidgy.jpg/

http://img191.imageshack.us/i/imageblux.jpg/

http://img268.imageshack.us/i/imageggun.jpg/

Hi Vulpine!

Nice to see a familiar avatar round here ;)

Your stuff is looking good, you should post these pics over at the igmb!

Hi Petecooman,

IGMB... It's a tad unfriendly over there, not all the IGMBers but some are.... Well ass-hats. It's also a tad to GW for me.

But nice to see ya! Keep PMFing!

Hi just watched the two Dr Who films with Peter Cushing as the Dr. I remember the invasion earth one set in London was a favourite of mine when I was a boy still is. My kids loved it and they are only 8,5 and 4 yrs old, and actually sat through the whole two films. I have bought  a number of the figures from Blacktree designs and although a little expensive I think they look like good models ( awaiting delivery), so we will see when they arrive. I have downloaded a free Dr who miniatures rule book and some space hulk tiles and doors from ebay, so a game is in the making. Looking forward to seeing your rules Vulpine and would love to give them a try, all the best kind regards Kev.

I had some Blacktree DW models, really nice, although pricey and.... Well don't hold your breath, the models take a while to arrive from BTD.

The DW movies with Peter Cushing are really good, they are actually direct copy from Hartnell episodes. Although Cushing is quite different from Hartnell. Very good films tho.

6th Doctor, Colin Baker

http://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/spc_6140.jpg

:o

Doctor who Battle Report, see:
http://www.pendrakenforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,6563.msg65092.html#msg65092

Great report V.....
Love the effects !
Cheers - Phil.

ThanksTechno but there just the standard 1974 BBC effects package!

Yes, good report. Thanks  8)
What did you use for the maps ?

Photoshop. I used it for the maps and fiddling with the photos. You should see what I've done with photos of Leon's head! "With great power comes great responsibility"

I wanted a 1998-2000 White Dwarf look.... I think I did it  :)

I thought it looked great V.
Cheers - Phil.

Thanks Techno!

Quote from: Vulpine on 22 December 2012, 12:06:15 PM
Photoshop. I used it for the maps and fiddling with the photos.

Thanks very much Vulpine. Looks great. Sorry for not responding sooner - I've been away visiting family.
Cheers, Colin

No problems Albie Bach!

Hi all, thought I would just do a genral recap for last year and go through the new plans for the year going forwards.

First of all I need to thank a few people

Sean 67, PaintitPink, Ludite, Techno, Leon an his team, Dim_reaper and a few more (sorry if i missed you!) for your comments, some of you indeed have some of my DW models in your collection and the feedback has been fab.


As most of you know in August me and my mate Dim_Reaper were watching all of season 12  in a day marathon, awesome seanon also, Bakers first, Sarah Jane and the underestimate (I belive) Harry sulivan. It has two of my best episodes (Genisis of the Daleks and Revenge of the cybermen) and includes Sontarens, Daleks and Cybermen in that one season. I turned to D_M and said, "wouldn't it be cool if there was a wargame based on the DW univers?" "what about black tree, you had some didn't you ?" Was his response "yeah, but 25mm, I wanna do wars, not skirmish, and there expensive already without having to buy hundreds! I wanna have a army of Vogans, a Cyberarmy, Dalek force, sontarens, UNIT platoon....." So you can see were this story goes...

D_R was incharge of rules with my advice based on  Doctor who, mainly During the time wars but also some scenarios based on some classic TV episodes (and possibly some non classic for the people who like Matt Smith and Tenant)  and I was incharge of sculpting with his help. Odd actually, I've done some converting on 25mm with modling putty but neaver a full sculped and I hadn't at the time even painted 1 10mm model, (although I had quite a few waiting to be painted).

Our playtest is about sorted and a battle report has been done ( http://www.pendrakenforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,6563.msg65092.html#msg65092 ) however we ain't going to finish the rules yet. Within Jan we will post our rules and it would e fab if you guys could have a go with them, the more people who help play test the more faults we can find and rectifie. Then we can have a living on line rule book.

After the rules we are going to do supplements containing more squads, Scenarios and rules to uses in your armies and I'm currently making the next 30models for the next sculped. Anyway, I'm looking forwards  to our DW game for 2013 and I hope you lot are also!

(http://i1268.photobucket.com/albums/jj567/Joel1985A/07F2B182-A5B1-44A2-B135-B60797296E84-1974-0000028455C26B94.jpg)
(http://i1268.photobucket.com/albums/jj567/Joel1985A/2C09A0F8-81E1-4E63-8C07-FE6E5F41B7B1-1974-00000284600D07B1.jpg)
(http://i1268.photobucket.com/albums/jj567/Joel1985A/CF8D4446-D2AC-44FA-B396-C611031482EB-1974-00000284CC8E078C.jpg)
(http://i1268.photobucket.com/albums/jj567/Joel1985A/459421F2-1B5B-495E-9B8C-1E9E26255A45-1974-00000284D6C04550.jpg)
(http://i1268.photobucket.com/albums/jj567/Joel1985A/BF894BC0-C1F0-42AF-870F-CDBDDCD369E3-1974-00000284E59BBC30.jpg)
(http://i1268.photobucket.com/albums/jj567/Joel1985A/35166F4E-CB19-4F49-BD24-04A6D90B84E5-1974-00000284F56215A7.jpg)
(http://i1268.photobucket.com/albums/jj567/Joel1985A/19A51F5C-A6CD-4483-BE00-93DB04DF9F4D-1974-0000028504269EC7.jpg)
(http://i1268.photobucket.com/albums/jj567/Joel1985A/BBAC3492-3577-4C4C-8961-67E44F3EA763-1974-0000028510D7CA1D.jpg)
(http://i1268.photobucket.com/albums/jj567/Joel1985A/DC5B0C1F-10EC-42BC-AE73-55798C00B678-1974-000002850B201202.jpg)

Bread for war...

Sontarn Commander and trooper WIP

(http://i1268.photobucket.com/albums/jj567/Joel1985A/3C733866-4323-44CD-9ED8-1F2DAA801DCF-3247-000003DBBA7C7399.jpg)
(http://i1268.photobucket.com/albums/jj567/Joel1985A/D8C7FD6A-CB12-4E93-A992-F1657C474DB3-3247-000003DBB3A8C37E.jpg)
(http://i1268.photobucket.com/albums/jj567/Joel1985A/D376DC75-B0CB-48ED-B66E-028380A3B504-3247-000003DBC0B291DD.jpg)
(http://i1268.photobucket.com/albums/jj567/Joel1985A/222A60D8-0D6A-4405-8040-183FD58F79A5-3247-000003DBC706E3D9.jpg)
(http://i1268.photobucket.com/albums/jj567/Joel1985A/FE38A931-4DF7-4B74-B76D-D32FD9947831-3247-000003DF0BF2BF3F.jpg)

Coming along very nicely V.
Cheers - Phil.

Tar Tec, I'm particularly pleased with the Sontaren Cpt's face, although its still WIP. Also Tommy Bake, I'm also V pleased with him. I must be getting better as I think they are nicer than the first mould.

(http://i1268.photobucket.com/albums/jj567/Joel1985A/90356D9D-49C9-4F39-92DC-A04F1CF4B978-608-000000502E6B0D13.jpg)
Sontaren family (still some trimming and such once dry)

(http://i1268.photobucket.com/albums/jj567/Joel1985A/34CD4917-C17B-49CB-BDD4-385368B0B584-608-0000005022456EBC.jpg)
Cybermat Swarm

Definately need a 1-1 scale Clara Oswin Oswald...

I think I might be in lurve :-[

I don't know what kinda models you think im makin here!

You know what Nosher, I hate to say it, but you are...


RIGHT!  :D

Ok ok... Put this in 'top totty!' Section. I don't want this smut here, I'm married and have no sexual thoughts now. Please keep it to talking about my sculpts and Doctor who game!  :D

Compleat work so far on 2nd Doctor who set:

(http://i1268.photobucket.com/albums/jj567/Joel1985A/0C1D4114-E9B5-4C0A-A132-0FE736F93DAC-1511-00000113B20A0B61.jpg)
Sontaren Squad

(http://i1268.photobucket.com/albums/jj567/Joel1985A/8CFC25C3-AE28-44AF-89FB-5BA361EDC945-1511-00000113B86B98AF.jpg)
L-R: Special weapon Dalek, Morbious (monster), Doctor IV, Davros

Morbius Pre and Post Death

(http://i1268.photobucket.com/albums/jj567/Joel1985A/1934A887-7DBF-4C99-B8E8-8BB2F12758D3-3479-000003586FB2AD47.jpg)
(http://i1268.photobucket.com/albums/jj567/Joel1985A/0F78DFF0-7BCB-4406-B93E-E40AE392509D-3479-000003587807BA66.jpg)
(http://i1268.photobucket.com/albums/jj567/Joel1985A/D3B3A72F-F746-4AAF-8910-3BAB58465A3C-3479-000003587DD79F8E.jpg)
(http://i1268.photobucket.com/albums/jj567/Joel1985A/E56F0F87-A9AA-4847-9308-AE57BBF2F057-3479-0000035883E64CD0.jpg)
(http://i1268.photobucket.com/albums/jj567/Joel1985A/BD292FA7-739E-4E23-AE34-4157676EAF7E-3479-0000035A4911907C.jpg)

Coming along a storm V !
Cheers - Phil.

Thanks Tec

Here's some more:

(http://i1268.photobucket.com/albums/jj567/Joel1985A/A6C8BD89-052A-4233-9A96-C0BF8BC2DBE6-6084-0000058F7B185CA9.jpg)
Ice warriors WIP

(http://i1268.photobucket.com/albums/jj567/Joel1985A/65DE477F-57B7-4244-8861-6C9DDD81C1BD-6084-0000058F8280CC9A.jpg)
Yeti

Progressing excellently V.

Little tip which I hope will help you 'tighten up' some of the detail, (which is damn good already....don't get me wrong on that score.)
Once you've mixed up your normal proportions of green stuff....add a little more of the 'blue'. (You'll end up with a noticeably darker shade of green in the mix.)
This should make the putty slightly 'stiffer' to work.
Push this around into as close as to the shape you want, to start with.....Now leave it for 10-15 minutes or so, to let it start 'going off'.
(This is something you'll really have to experiment with, as it will depend on how much of the extra blue you've added, and what the temperature of the room you're working in is.)

Now the putty has begun to stiffen...Finish off your 'shaping'....You should find that you can get much more defined and sharp 'edges' at this point.....and when you push the detail or something like lines in the putty, the putty will hold the detail much more crisply.
Basically the putty won't move about quite as much when you press into it

Hope the above makes sense.....You're doing SO well already..(Definitely got an eye for it Matey)....I'm just trying to help get you up another rung 'on the ladder'. ;)

Cheers - Phil.

Thanks Tec, I welcome advice!

Yeah I found I'd do a area but then, doing something near would also move an area just done. Are you saying this will stop that effect?

Quote from: Vulpine on 10 January 2013, 07:20:39 AM
Thanks Tec, I welcome advice!
Yeah I found I'd do a area but then, doing something near would also move an area just done. Are you saying this will stop that effect?

Not really V.
If there's a danger of spoiling something you've just done, you want to let that bit set....or almost set...Before working close to it.
The darker blue mix does 'go off' more quickly though, so in some respects this might help.
It's a little bit down to trial and error I'm afraid....But I don't think it'll take too long for you to pick it up at all.
Have a bit of an experiment. ;)


Oooh....
I should have added....

You might need to use your 'normal' mix of green stuff for the initial 'skin' of putty over the metal....(The darker mix doesn't stick to the metal quite as readily....) You'll be using that original 'skin' to help the darker colour putty stick in position.

Hope that makes sense !
Cheers - Phil.

Sure! Thanks Tec

As you say it's all about exp. I do think this set of 30ish Doctor who's compared to my first set are better. 

!NEED YOUR HELP!

Well it's been a while....

Although for me, just slipping out of my TARDIS (Time and Relative Dimension in Space) only a matter of minuets have passed since my last post. But as a guy who grew up in the 90s my my TARDIS looks like this:
(http://i1268.photobucket.com/albums/jj567/Joel1985A/4E432D4D-1F23-4F59-A563-257210846265-5526-0000054ADD550ABE.jpg)

So what's going on? Well, originally the Dr Who rules would have been posted in Jan/Feb. But this isn't going to be a quick "that will do" system. Me and Dim_Reaper want this to be perfect. I'm also working on some rules for an Aliens game, but it will be a quick and simple pick up and play, we want DrWho to be a truly foundation game for us. It will be fun but also competitive, realistic (in a fantasy world that is) and fair system.

We have played the system and re written and played again and again and re tweaked and played again (see our DW BatRep: http://www.pendrakenforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,6563.0.html#top ). I even got another friend who has nothing to do with DW, or on fact any 10mm (shame on him!) to have a few games and gives us feed back. I found this helped as me and Dim had become attached and almost (almost!) bias towards troops/armies we personally liked. As you can imagine that Neanderthal instinct to always win might bring yourself to push a rule towards your favour... But not this time ;).

But this is we're we need YOU to give us a hand! The rules will be posted within the week and we would love players to give it a go. You will obviously need some models and if you don't have the time to make your own I'm sure there are some stand in models and such. Pendraken infact do half our range, be it Sci Fi or Falklands stuff. Any feed back would be very welcome.

Final note: The second set of models should be ready for casting soon. Just a few more to finish off and send to Pendraken Towers

Quote from: Vulpine on 29 March 2013, 11:47:57 PM
The rules will be posted within the week...

So I tell V that I'm getting there with the rules, and he says on here, without consulting me, that they'll be up within the week. No pressure then, gitbag...


I suppose as primary rules monkey for this particular project, it behooves me to talk a little bit about it. I will, of course, delete the first paragraph I write concerning it before posting, as it will all be expletives.  :D

Anyway, I'm not really with V and his insistence upon "realism" that he endlessly (trust me, it's as endless as his "3 Fs" that he has no doubt regaled you all with) drones on about. Realism isn't particularly important to me. Context and consistency is, however. How does one represent reality, when the pressing need of any rules writer is an appropriate abstract, in order to enforce that underestimated concept among 28mm'ers: balance. But ultimately the first thing a gamer will see (gamers not being the most rational of folk), is whether or not something "makes sense" compared to external things. What makes sense, and what is (apparently) real are not aligned, nor should be. At the risk of sidetracking the whole discussion, which is Doctor Who (I think), getting something to make sense in its own context is more important than what the real thing does, especially when a lot of gamers think of "the real thing" and actually see the Hollywood representation. The whole path is fraught with peril, and not worth wasting the time on. That's right, isn't it V? Does it Fit? Is it Fair? Do you want Fries with that? ;)

Still, I think at the very least we have an interesting system, with some features that are potentially different to the usual fare. The system primarily relies on the size of units, and the strength of units weighs upon how long they last and the damage they do. There are statline differences, but they are mostly small, although the small differences do have a not insignificant impact on the game. The emphasis seems to be in keeping squads strong, and how/when/where to commit them. It's pretty much a squad-scale skirmish, and in spite of many, many arguments, debates, and stressing, I have to say (although biting my own hand at the prospect of self-promotion), that it is hard not to fall a little bit for the simple elegance of it. Whether or not this simple elegance works, will be for some considerable scrutiny. V adores it, the creator, well, I might as well rename myself Victor Frankenstein.

I've tried to keep the system as simple as possible, and I'm hoping I've set up a consistent core. Recently I've been fiddling with a Command and Orders system, which I would like to actually playtest before putting up here. Unfortunately, my better half in this endeavour is much more impatient and eager than me, and so he'd better get his finger out of his bottom next week and help me playtest it if he wants the thing up so quickly...

It is hard to describe, without just posting the thing up, but you shouldn't be waiting long, anyway. V wants to mess about with the look of it before posting, but I'm viewing this strictly as a beta. I would very much like to hear from those of you kind enough to give our ruleset a test-run or two. There are a few things that we are quite divisive on, and extra opinions will be useful so that V can realise I'm correct. ;)

I'll be honest and admit I've found this a bit of a pig for the large part. But that is ultimately my job, which is why I'm looking forward to playing V's aliens game, because he's doing the writing for it, and muggins here just has to turn up with models, which is a novel concept that I should try more often. V's alien system is pretty amazing mind, so keep an eye out for it.

Anyway, I should have the majority of my remaining work heading towards completion by tomorrow evening, if I don't finish it by then. You're probably looking at the weekend for the beta, depending on when playtesting fits into it.  If all goes well, it'll be much earlier. As V says, we're not going for a "that'll do" system here. We've staked quite a lot in it, but in honesty I can't wait to get back to 28mm.  ;D

Well, I suppose this represents our different job types...

Dim_Reaper in the physical world is a carer, it's all about doing the best job for a client regardless of how long it takes as long as the customer is comfortable... Me being a Decorator, we get in, find the solution ASAP and do it as best as possible in the time given. I suppose this is why me and DR often bump heads on things but generally work very well together. Bit like a 70s cop show! Officer Dim would sit down and try and tease the info out of a suspect, getting there confidence and inside there head.... I would torture them!

However, he did say this week. Infact he said Jan but I ain't going for the "I'm right!" slant. That all goes out the window if the systems ain't right. If it takes a week and a day buys or longer so be it!

I'm free wed afternoon and playtesting of the Pre posted rule set should be on the cards. Ill fiddle with the look after more playtesting and such, for a while it will be posted as a presentable draft.

Now, it ain't just Dim who has been busy. I've almost finishe the second set of models. This should consist of...
Doctors i, ii, iii, iv, v, The master, Morbious, Morbious (monster), yeti, cyber mats swarm, Davros, SW Dalek, 5 Ogrons, 5 Ice warriors, Ice Lord, 5 Sontarens, Sontaren Commander and 4 Draconians.

I've just finished the Ogrons. Ogrons are ape/caveman like mercenaries used by the Daleks in 'day of the Daleks' but also fought with the alliance against the Reble Time lord Morbious. Here is a pic of two Ogrons chilling with a Dalek, talking about hair conditioner and 'dis gul wee saw!"
(http://i1268.photobucket.com/albums/jj567/Joel1985A/E110F64C-105E-4ABC-A34B-5165F83BA9DF-8995-00000932A5C89AA5.jpg)

... And here is my model. Based origanlly on a Pendraken Sci Fi Marine (one with pistol, 2 with riffles):
(http://i1268.photobucket.com/albums/jj567/Joel1985A/B63AA945-B64E-49E5-B149-1CE9F6B79099-8995-00000932AE9C6EA3.jpg)

Nothing special, just head sculpting really. But I had to make sure the face and hair was right. Faces are my week spot, usually, the Dollys I work on from Pendraken have the face already sculpted, but there sloping fore head, long scatty hair and heavy brow was important to the model. (Remind me of a girl from Sunderland I used the date)

Nice job V ! :-bd
Cheers - Phil.

Well, couldn't have done them without the awsome marine models ;)

Thought they looked familiar. ;) ;D ;D
Cheers - Phil.

Looking good.

Quote from: Vulpine on 02 April 2013, 12:28:12 AM
... And here is my model. Based origanlly on a Pendraken Sci Fi Marine (one with pistol, 2 with riffles):
(http://i1268.photobucket.com/albums/jj567/Joel1985A/B63AA945-B64E-49E5-B149-1CE9F6B79099-8995-00000932AE9C6EA3.jpg)

Not so sure on using one of our Marines though, might have been better using a dolly there.

Hi all,

Just a quick update... Orgrons have been remade from scratch, Draconians done, so is the master and DoctorV (pics to come)

More importantly the rules are almost ready... So please please please help us out with play testing!

C&C more than welcome!   

Thanks in advance
Vulpine

http://youtu.be/ZXUaeSkqhiE

Just to get you all in the mood!

Quote from: Vulpine on 14 July 2013, 12:47:40 PM
More importantly the rules are almost ready... So please please please help us out with play testing!

I do wish you would appeal for this after the rules were actually available V. Posting a thread in the Rules Section even, I find that exceedingly unnecessary. Let's not frustrate what audience we may have chucking out hype for something that has been knocked back several times.


Anyway. First Beta of the Rules is nearing completion. There have been a few teething problems and debates in the past few months (the discussions over the rules for the Missile Launcher almost ended in a knife fight), but most of the obstacles have been overcome and I'm happy to report that I expect the rules to be completed presently. Aside of last minute changes, a few additional rules have been necessary, and over the course of time we've realised we could add more to increase the appeal of the ruleset.

Something that I have had some problems with is the scenarios. We are happy we are on the right track with them, and I think I've got a fairly innovative way of making them work, but it will need playtesting. With that in mind, as I type up all of the material, I'm debating somewhat over whether to only include the one scenario for now, whilst myself and V test out how this "Scenario Points" feature works, and then introduce it into the Beta at a later date.

I am a complete perfectionist, who likes to mull over things, so my pace of working is not entirely to V's tastes, although I'd argue my way has easily produced the best ruleset. Is it worth waiting for, that'll be up for you to decide. It has been an absolute pig of a thing, but I'm beginning to appreciate it a little bit. Depending on how successful this is, we may do some crossovers, and it's fairly likely that we'll have a crack at getting a general, more copyright friendly usage out of it.

I will talk more about it (as if I haven't gone on enough about it) once the rules are in a presentable state. I am hoping to have them up this week, but with the Time Wars ruleset, there's always been something to prolong the deadline, so I'm not making any promises. Once the rules are ready, I hope to post them up on here in the Downloadable Rules (or simply Rules) section. I can't make any promises as to when, but given that most of the difficult bits are out of the way, I do expect to have the rules finished soon.

Until the rules are up, I'm not going to talk about the rules again, nor is V.  And that's an order, V.  ;)

It's been since march when he said "within the week" to me... If I tell him to get on, he complains... So I left him until recently... Still no rules?

Deadlines are your friend Dim, they make people more productive and having something to aim for can help. I will quote a cleaver friend of mine "if you have a load of free time, you will waist it, when you don't, time becomes more valuable and will be used with more value" and who said that...? Dim said that!

Stop posting and get on with your job X

Time is an illusion. Lunchtime doubly so.

And I can tell you whatever deadline. That doesn't really matter as you equally contribute to the messing up of those deadlines. Doesn't matter if only my mate knows the unofficial deadline, but then he goes and posts this deadline everywhere else and I'm the one who looks the like a douche.

BTW, you were the other half of the Missile Launcher debate I mentioned, so you can answer the "Still No Rules" question yourself, can't you. ;)

We usually get on BTW, just we're very good at irritating each other.

How can you have deadlines if your working with the TARDIS!

Good plan, take as long as we need and just pop back!

Look right, I'm stuck in a time eddy. Could happen to anyone!

Fair nuff... If it happen to him...
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"What do want?"
"Time travel!"
"When do we want it?"
"What does it matter!"

What's Eddy do in the space time continuum?
To quote Arthur Dent.

Second set of models have been cast!

(http://i1268.photobucket.com/albums/jj567/Joel1985A/94ED0559-EF03-40F6-A1A0-F724ACF71F1C-4975-000004E9BF63F328_zps3b43042a.jpg)
Ice Warriors and Ice Lord (Bottem Right)

(http://i1268.photobucket.com/albums/jj567/Joel1985A/A3348CF0-8052-44E9-8EA5-2945B3F51EC2-4975-000004E9C6BC44BB_zps84e82c65.jpg)
Draconions

(http://i1268.photobucket.com/albums/jj567/Joel1985A/80E5E646-12AA-40E2-95E8-9F4055D58EE5-4975-000004E9CC359B98_zps21965693.jpg)
Sontarens and Sontaren Sargent/Officer (bottem right)

(http://i1268.photobucket.com/albums/jj567/Joel1985A/55083A5B-F915-4B72-8A56-B4A6AD3C5C52-4975-000004E9D142D945_zps7fb2b371.jpg)
From left: Ogron, Cybermat swarm, Yeti
Special weapon Dalek, Dalek, Davros

(http://i1268.photobucket.com/albums/jj567/Joel1985A/FEE223A0-0CD5-41D4-9E45-F9BFA97CD750-4975-000004E9D6674943_zps37856399.jpg)
From left: Morbious (monster) Morbious (Pre death)
The Master, Doctor IV, Doctor V

Very nice work, look forwards to seeing paint on them!  :-bd

Coming along well V.
Cheers - Phil

Thanks guys. We're getting some place now!

To me it's been only a few moments since my last post. However, I have been struggling with my TARDIS's giro controles and so it appears that nothing has been done on doctor who for some time.

Divorce, Moveing home, renovating house, loft converted to man cave, guard 40k army, Roman Warhammer Hostorical and other stuff have kept me busy. But, with the man cave comes weekly gaming. One game being played very other week is Time Wars. This should conclude the play testing of the MK1 rule set and so we can post the rules and also some pics and updates on the new campaign. 

(I know, I could travel back in time and have the rules completed before I even started this thread!)

(http://i1268.photobucket.com/albums/jj567/Joel1985A/7DC2698F-5FAB-449C-B8BA-F4B6156A4490.jpg) (http://s1268.photobucket.com/user/Joel1985A/media/7DC2698F-5FAB-449C-B8BA-F4B6156A4490.jpg.html)
(http://i1268.photobucket.com/albums/jj567/Joel1985A/FEAB6A5A-5F9C-48D3-8410-D405ADD19BF6.jpg) (http://s1268.photobucket.com/user/Joel1985A/media/FEAB6A5A-5F9C-48D3-8410-D405ADD19BF6.jpg.html)
(http://i1268.photobucket.com/albums/jj567/Joel1985A/3A4B9864-66B8-499A-98A2-5DF7EEE5A505.jpg) (http://s1268.photobucket.com/user/Joel1985A/media/3A4B9864-66B8-499A-98A2-5DF7EEE5A505.jpg.html)

Rules are up! Please see :
http://www.pendrakenforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,9865.0.html