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Title: Armour Decals
Post by: Hertsblue on 21 February 2012, 09:49:42 AM
Need the correct (well, as correct as possible) decals for my 14th Army Lee tanks. I assumed that Pendraken would stock something suitable, but I've scoured the site and the Minibits site and come up empty . So, where do I go?


Title: Re: Armour Decals
Post by: ianrs54 on 21 February 2012, 09:54:23 AM
Sorry to be negative - but as far as brigade markings I think you are going to be a bit stuck. The red tac flash should be fndable, since the British forces regularly changed these. Squadron tac markings (carried less often than people think) will be standard.
Try Doms Decals as a starter   
Luck

IanS


Title: Re: Armour Decals
Post by: Hertsblue on 21 February 2012, 10:50:58 AM
Cheers, Ian. Much obliged.


Title: Re: Armour Decals
Post by: Gandalf on 21 February 2012, 11:43:00 AM
Minifigs supply a range of decals that will cover what you want
http://www.miniaturefigurines.co.uk/Catalogue.aspx?ScaleID=1&CategoryID=1&SubCategoryID=12 (http://www.miniaturefigurines.co.uk/Catalogue.aspx?ScaleID=1&CategoryID=1&SubCategoryID=12)


Title: Re: Armour Decals
Post by: fred. on 21 February 2012, 07:27:28 PM
The  British Armoured Divison sheet from Minifigs is very good.  It has Arm of Service markings, squadron symbols, white stars, bridge markings. The only thing that is a bit weak is divisional markings, as there are no were near enough to go with all the other markings.

Doms Decals are good but are mainly 15mm and Division and Arm of Service are too big for 10mm vehicles.

I'm not sure what markings 14th army used, but by 1944 markings in NW Europe had been standardised. See my web page here for 7th Armoured Div http://www.kerynne.com/games/British7thArmouredDivision.html


Title: Re: Armour Decals
Post by: Hertsblue on 22 February 2012, 09:22:16 AM
Minifigs supply a range of decals that will cover what you want
http://www.miniaturefigurines.co.uk/Catalogue.aspx?ScaleID=1&CategoryID=1&SubCategoryID=12 (http://www.miniaturefigurines.co.uk/Catalogue.aspx?ScaleID=1&CategoryID=1&SubCategoryID=12)

Can't seem to get that one to come up, Gandalf


Title: Re: Armour Decals
Post by: ianrs54 on 22 February 2012, 10:39:35 AM
Muist admit didnt work for me either.....

Ian S


Title: Re: Armour Decals
Post by: Hertsblue on 22 February 2012, 12:11:17 PM
Found some useful info at www.fireandfury.com/painting/burmaarmypaintingguide.pdf (http://www.fireandfury.com/painting/burmaarmypaintingguide.pdf).

I'm aiming to do 149th RAC (or part of it at any rate) as they actually relieved Kohima.


Title: Re: Armour Decals
Post by: fred. on 22 February 2012, 05:21:01 PM
I've not seen the red over yellow Arm of Service markings before. I don't think they are available on a commercially produced 10mm decal sheet.

It's not too hard to produce your own, blank decal paper is available from eBay either clear or white. White produces brighter colours, but needs cutting out very neatly. In the past I have used a colour laser printer as then the printing is water proof which isn't always the case with ink jet printers.


Title: Re: Armour Decals
Post by: Gandalf on 22 February 2012, 07:27:03 PM
Can't seem to get that one to come up, Gandalf
Odd but it work's fine on my computer.  Try going to the Minifigs site and look in 12mm World War II on the "transfers" tab


Title: Re: Armour Decals
Post by: fred. on 22 February 2012, 08:16:45 PM
Strange, worked for me last night, but not now. Navigating in from the home page works though.


Title: Re: Armour Decals
Post by: Hertsblue on 23 February 2012, 08:48:18 AM
I've not seen the red over yellow Arm of Service markings before. I don't think they are available on a commercially produced 10mm decal sheet.

It's not too hard to produce your own, blank decal paper is available from eBay either clear or white. White produces brighter colours, but needs cutting out very neatly. In the past I have used a colour laser printer as then the printing is water proof which isn't always the case with ink jet printers.

I might just crank up the old Samsung and try that, Fred. I'm always preaching self-sufficiency, after all.

Odd but it work's fine on my computer.  Try going to the Minifigs site and look in 12mm World War II on the "transfers" tab

Yeah, that's what I did eventually. They seem very expensive for what they are.  :(

Ray


Title: Re: Armour Decals
Post by: fred. on 23 February 2012, 05:10:25 PM
The scale specialties sheets aren't cheap. The British NWE one is good as it has loads on it, but the British western desert one is quite sparse.

If you are going to have a go at making your own,be sure to do some test prints on plain paper to check you have the sizing right.


Title: Re: Armour Decals
Post by: Steve J on 23 February 2012, 07:37:04 PM
Thanks for the Fire and Fury link Hertsblue, very useful :).


Title: Re: Armour Decals
Post by: Hertsblue on 24 February 2012, 09:08:57 AM
The scale specialties sheets aren't cheap. The British NWE one is good as it has loads on it, but the British western desert one is quite sparse.

If you are going to have a go at making your own,be sure to do some test prints on plain paper to check you have the sizing right.

Yes, I've tried that already. The little devils are surprisingly tiny!

Incidentally, the 254th Armoured Brigade, to which these units belonged, was an Indian Army formation. This may explain why the tac-signs seem unfamiliar.  :-\


Title: Re: Armour Decals
Post by: ianrs54 on 24 February 2012, 11:49:27 AM
I suspect that you can get the brigade sign painted by hand, yellow triangel with black triangle inside it.

IanS


Title: Re: Armour Decals
Post by: Hertsblue on 25 February 2012, 10:18:07 AM
Got some clear laser waterslide paper off e-Bay today. Going to try doing all of the larger signs (plus some aircraft markings) in the next few days. If you hear weeping and wailing and gnashing of teeth coming from the south east you'll know I've mucked it up!  :'(


Title: Re: Armour Decals
Post by: fred. on 25 February 2012, 10:37:56 AM
Have fun. Remember your printer can't print white!


Title: Re: Armour Decals
Post by: Hertsblue on 25 February 2012, 10:49:31 AM
Bugger. Forgot that. Should have got white paper, shouldn't I?  :'(


Title: Re: Armour Decals
Post by: Si Tyler on 25 February 2012, 11:35:08 AM
Not completely wasted.  I do a lot of work with Decals on 1/600th aircraft which are a similar (in decal sizes) to what you are trying to achieve.

If you scroll to the bottom of the link below  you will see how I used clear decal paper over a bright colour to tidy up the edges
http://raidscalegaming.pbworks.com/w/page/30016942/Arab%20Israeli%20Aircraft (http://raidscalegaming.pbworks.com/w/page/30016942/Arab%20Israeli%20Aircraft)

For your purposes for Yellow over Red:
paint a white area on the model.
Make up your decal on clear paper using yellow and red BUT put a border around the decal in the base colour of your model (remember to keep the border quite thick)
Trim your decal and place over the white area.  The White will allow the Yellow/White letters to show through with the correct luminosity.
Paint the base coat of your vehicle back up to the edge of the decal border covering over the white

Not a straightforward as using white decal paper but will let you use what you have already

Si


Title: Re: Armour Decals
Post by: fred. on 25 February 2012, 01:04:12 PM
The tip to print tank base colour (eg green) round the edges is top. I'll remember to do that on the next set to make.

Painting a white square under the decals sounds fiddly but is quite easy, as it dosen't have to be perfect.


Title: Re: Armour Decals
Post by: Hertsblue on 25 February 2012, 05:55:34 PM
Thanks for that Si, I had figured out that painting the model was the answer, but glad to get confirmation from one who's been there.

The problem comes with the white star within the white circle - the tank colour shows through the gaps between the points. However, the solution would appear to be to print the star with the tank-colour in situ. OK, that's the theory....


Title: Re: Armour Decals
Post by: Si Tyler on 25 February 2012, 07:03:12 PM
Unfortunately, Yes

Even with white decal paper you would had to have the base colour on the decal so the same problem exists.  There are plenty of other decal manufacturers for 1/144th vehicles (such as I-94 Enterprises) which would provide you the ideal solution to "normal" decals.  I freely interchange different manufacturers.  I only result to making my own when I can't find a "proper" solution.

As you are not doing a single vehicle (?) then investing in a proper pack from Scotia Grendel for example would be your best route

Si