After a short delay, here's the first lot of releases for 2012!
This month's shiny additions come in the form of the Republican Romans, which were previewed on our Forum some time ago. With these now available, you can get one half of your Punic War's ready, just in time for the Cathaginians which will be following on shortly. And if you're not sure what you need, why not go for our handy Republican Roman Army Pack, giving you all the basics you need to get started!
Republican Romans - http://www.pendraken.co.uk/Ancients-c9/NEW-Republican-Roman-NEW-sc278/ (http://www.pendraken.co.uk/Ancients-c9/NEW-Republican-Roman-NEW-sc278/)
(All packs contain 30 foot/15 cavalry, priced at £3.50)
ARR1 - Foot command
ARR2 - Hastatii, pilum
ARR3 - Principes, pilum/sword
ARR4 - Triarii, spear
ARR5 - Velites, javelin
ARR6 - Light archers
(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7151/6676707941_738b5024fc.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/pendraken/6676707941/)
ARR7 - Heavy archers
ARR8 - Slingers
ARR9 - Italian Allies
ARR10 - Roman Cavalry
(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7165/6676714285_b36ebaaa16.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/pendraken/6676714285/)
Republican Roman Army Pack
Contains:
2 x ARR2
1 1/2 x ARR3
1 x ARR4,10
1/2 x ARR1,5,6
(7 packs total) £22.00
Hope you like them!
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Awesome :-bd :-bd
Those cav look breathtaking.. :-bd
Cheers,
Aart
Now then, do I go early or late Roman - then again my opponent has Macedonians with no one to fight them.
Reckon that wqould make it Early then !!
ianS
They look really nice, more temptation.
What is the make up of the Calvary pack, as it looks like officer, standard and 1 trooper, which if that is the ratio in the pack it will be a bit standard bearer heavy.
Quote from: fred12df on 11 January 2012, 05:28:04 PM
What is the make up of the Calvary pack, as it looks like officer, standard and 1 trooper, which if that is the ratio in the pack it will be a bit standard bearer heavy.
It'll be the same as our current packs, 13 troopers, 1 officer, 1 standard.
Fantastic figures.
I still reckon those shields are too small though.
Republican shields were not just rounded off edge versions of later empire scutums.
See this version made at Swansea
(http://www.swan.ac.uk/grst/student%20papers/ate%20leon%202004%20001.jpg)
Sorry I do not like to rain on everyones parade
Cheers
EDIT: Pic embedded.
Oh goody, something else to keep me away from my ongoing 10mm WW2 German-Soviet project... ;)
Rulebook and Osprey Republican Roman Army book have now been pulled out in preparation for the arrival of another Pendraken postal package. :)
Perhaps the Falkland Islands release could be delayed? :P
Blaxkleric
http://fantorical.blogspot.com/
Just a quick note, we've amended the army pack to include 1/2 a pack of Velites, in place of some of the Principes.
Quote from: toolsey on 11 January 2012, 05:58:28 PM
I still reckon those shields are too small though.
Republican shields were not just rounded off edge versions of later empire scutums.
I've had a quick Google, and there seems to be quite a variation in the sizes of the shields on other manufacturers, from a full floor to chin size, through to the smaller shin to neck protection like ours. I've not got my Osprey to hand though to check the pics in there.
Quote from: Leon on 11 January 2012, 06:21:05 PM
I've not got my Osprey to hand though to check the pics in there.
No...You haven't Leon...That's 'cos
I've still got it....And from what I can 'research' there IS quite a potential difference....Depends on which 'tome' you chose to believe I guess.
Even the different Osprey books covering the relevant period show variations...(Just as Leon mentions)....So who knows for an
absolute certainty.... ;)
At the end of the day, something made in Swansea in 2004 has as much relevance as the osprey books....How tall was the average Roman soldier ?....How tall is the chap in the photo ?...We just don't know for certain, do we ?
Cheers - Phil
Quote from: Techno on 11 January 2012, 07:20:03 PM
At the end of the day, something made in Swansea in 2004 has as much relevance as the osprey books....How tall was the average Roman soldier ?....How tall is the chap in the photo ?...We just don't know for certain, do we ?
I agree Phil - from that fella's paper [here: http://www.swan.ac.uk/grst/student%20papers/Roman%20Rep%20shield.htm ] he says that the source shield (the Kasr-el-Harit scutum) measures 120cm x 64cm...if I put 120cm on my tape measure from the bottom of my chin [a la pic of the Principes] it reaches to the middle of my shin - and I'm 5'6"...so I reckon they're fine :)
Thanks Nik.
Cheers - Phil.
"Perhaps the Falkland Islands release could be delayed?" :o :o :o :o :o
Bugger OFF ;) :D ;D ;)
Quote from: Techno on 11 January 2012, 07:20:03 PM
Even the different Osprey books covering the relevant period show variations...(Just as Leon mentions)....So who knows for an absolute certainty.... ;)
Anyone who's done any
actual archaeology or primary source historical research has to know how little these things are actually standardised.
I mean the colour of the British WWII uniform varied wildly for goodness sake!
And remember that much of what we know about these things comes from a very few sources, so who knows what these things
really looked like? :D
Ultimately then it'll come down to pedantry (not in a bad way) and what the individual customer is willing to accept for themselves.
PErsonally i think these look jolly nice indeed.
Having seen the greens on these (i think?) it seems to me it must be really satisfying to sculpt these little chaps up and then see them cast as a range.
Well done all concerned. m/
Damn...I need more jobs.
How can you keep doing this? (Releasing better and better stuff that I need to buy)
Think of my marriage! My daughter, my money (okay okay, you do think of that :P)
Seriously those Romans are terrific. Are you revamping the other Romans / Enemies as well?
Quote from: sebigboss79 on 11 January 2012, 09:42:22 PM
Damn...I need more jobs.
How can you keep doing this? (Releasing better and better stuff that I need to buy)
Think of my marriage! My daughter, my money (okay okay, you do think of that :P)
Seriously those Romans are terrific. Are you revamping the other Romans / Enemies as well?
:D
We'll be slowly working through some of the other Ancient ranges yes, and adding new items from the Requests lists along the way. The Carthaginians will be the next lot released, hopefully in the February batch.
Language Nosher... ;D ;D
Tsk, tsk,tsk.
Luddite....Exactly what I think myself !.....even with that time machine and some photographic evidence.....would that mean ALL the scuti (?) .....(says Phil, once again showing how useless his Latin is)...were exactly the same.....We'll just never know really will we ?
Satisfying to sculpt them ?.....Couldn't have a better job !....It's fun and a challenge !!
Sebigboss.... Thanks !....Really chuffed you like them !...You'll have to ask that nice Mr Leon about the other stuff.....But the Carthaginians shouldn't be too far away now....I think ? (Oh Leon's just posted while I was typing...Such is life !)
Cheers - Phil.
Cool Nik, . . . so I go grab my son, he's 6'1" and using the 120cm goes just under his chin to just barely below the knee. But when I do the same for me, I'm 5'10", under chin to mid shin. Just wanted to try it :D
Anyhoo, I really like the look Techno and cant wait to see the Carthos :D
Re Shields
I am sorry but I was not knocking Techno's figures, I just said I was not happy with shields, now its ranks of 2 foot legionaires next to 7 foot legionaires all with different shields weapons and god knows what, plus the old British battledress colour question to settle the matter, accusations of pendantry and such like, The republican Roman legion must have looked as bad a rabble as the foes facing them.
There is other books than Osprey.
I am sorry Techno, I will be buying your figures anyway which I think are great.
Cheers
Thanks Toolsey.
Don't worry about it at all !....What looks 'spot on' to one man will look 'wrong' to another....and I don't believe Luddite was having a 'pop' at you.
I know there are other books than Osprey...They're just so readily available and relatively cheap as reference sources.
For individual periods I'm sure they could be bettered.....But I end up buying rather a lot of them....Can't afford to go too mad cost wise. ;)
Like I say....I don't think we'll ever know for absolute certainty one way or the other.
Even if somehow there was a photo of just one 'grunt' from the period, would we be able to say ALL the others looked the same ?...Probably not, for certain ?
Really pleased you like them anyway ! .....
Cheers - Phil.
The other point to bear in mind, of course, is how well they look en masse, since 10 mil wargames figures are habitually viewed from a scale height of 400 to 500 feet. Personally, I'm in awe of anyone who can sculpt a recognisable figure just 10mm tall. =D>
Quote from: Techno on 12 January 2012, 12:27:24 PM
....and I don't believe Luddite was having a 'pop' at you.
Certainly not having a pop!! :-h
Well this is probably having a "pop" but in the photo of pack ARR9 Italian Allies, what is the chap on the left of the photo supposed to be doing? Is it some sort of under arm javelin shot or just the bottom half of the spear missing? A very strange pose.
No sweat Martyn.
From memory (Hah!) he's supposed to be thrusting the javelin/spear forward from the base (of the spear)....May have distorted slightly ?
Perhaps I might need to tweak that one at some stage in the future ?
Cheers - Phil.
What are those armoured archers meant to be doing in a Republican range? Is this becoming a fantasy site?
Quote from: FierceKitty on 18 January 2012, 10:31:37 AM
What are those armoured archers meant to be doing in a Republican range? Is this becoming a fantasy site?
Some people asked for them, they can be used for the later end of the period, and also could be easily used for other areas as well. Generally a handy couple of figures.
:D