With the continuing pandemic I thought it would be useful to list any cancelled/postponed shows as we hear about them, so I'll list them below as we get more info.
February
Vapnartak, York - Cancelled for 2021, back in 2022.
March
WMMS, Wolverhampton - Cancelled for 2021, back in 2022.
Hammerhead, Newark - Cancelled for 2021, back in 2022.
April
Salute, London - Rescheduled for Nov, see below.
May
Carronade, Falkirk - Rescheduled for Sept, see below.
June
Broadside, Sittingbourne - Rescheduled for Dec, see below.
Phalanx, St Helens - Cancelled for 2021, back in 2022.
Glasgow Games Gathering - Cancelled for 2021, back in 2022.
July
Hammerhead, Newark - Rescheduled date cancelled for 2021, back in 2022.
August
Claymore, Edinburgh - Cancelled for 2021, back in 2022.
September
Border Reiver, Newcastle - Cancelled for 2021, back in 2022.
Colours, Newbury - Cancelled for 2021, back in 2022.
Carronade, Falkirk - Scheduled for Sat 25th (Rescheduled from May)
October
Partizan, Newark - Scheduled for Sun 10th
Fiasco, Leeds - Scheduled for Sun 31st
November
Salute, London - Scheduled for Sat 13th (Rescheduled from April)
Battleground, Stockton-on-Tees - Scheduled for 20th Nov
Warfare, Ascot - Scheduled for 27th/28th Nov
December
Broadside, Sittingbourne - Scheduled for Sat 4th (Rescheduled from June) - We won't be attending this revised date.
Lucky that there are any shows at all !
I'll be surprised if any of the above shows go ahead.
I think lack of testing and injections might make it too risky :-
not sure about Insurance as well might be to costly
regards
Sean
Quote from: Leon on 15 December 2020, 09:52:40 PM
With the continuing pandemic I thought it would be useful to list any cancelled/postponed shows as we hear about them, so I'll list them below as we get more info.
Great idea! I heard this week that SALUTE had been cancelled but have traders had no news as yet?
I'm interested in attending the Scottish shows - provided I've received the vaccine.
Quote from: hammurabi70 on 16 December 2020, 10:37:26 AM
Great idea! I heard this week that SALUTE had been cancelled but have traders had no news as yet?
We've not had any info yet and they're still selling tickets for the April 10th date online. I can't see it going ahead but I can understand that the Warlords have to wait for the ExCeL to make the decision.
Quote from: steve_holmes_11 on 16 December 2020, 11:27:18 AM
I'm interested in attending the Scottish shows - provided I've received the vaccine.
I would think that Claymore in August is a bit ambitious unless concessions are made because of the Edinburgh festivals.
Carronade in September is a bit more likely but still risky.
There are also a couple of smaller Scottish shows usually in October and November but again still a bit of a risk.
Its going to be very interesting to see what the footfall is on the shows when they are allowed.
They could be up because everybody is fed up of staying in. They could be down because every one is still being careful, or more worryingly they could be down because people have got used to buying online.
I will only be able to attend once all of my family has ben vaccinated, due to our son being clinically extremely vulnerable. He is currently around 5th in the list, but no news on when he will get the jab. To be honest I'll be amazed if I can attend a show next year and feel safe and enjoy the experience, given the normal cheek by jowl jostle of Colours.
Quote from: Steve J on 16 December 2020, 09:39:22 PM
To be honest I'll be amazed if I can attend a show next year and feel safe and enjoy the experience, given the normal cheek by jowl jostle of Colours.
Yes, while the vaccine is available, we still do not know enough about it, how long it will last etc. just because you have been vaccinated you are far less likely to catch it, but you could still pass it on from being on your clothes etc.
I am certainly not going to be rushing to attend shows. And when I dp it will be a small local one first to see what its like.
Quote from: Orcs on 16 December 2020, 08:14:49 PM
Its going to be very interesting to see what the footfall is on the shows when they are allowed.
They could be up because everybody is fed up of staying in. They could be down because every one is still being careful, or more worryingly they could be down because people have got used to buying online.
We've been wondering that as well, the two sides may cancel each other out and we'll see the same numbers but I do worry that a lot of people will have realised that they can get all of their goodies online and they don't need to risk travelling, as well as paying for parking and food, etc.
Those who come to shows to buy and leave may be less willing to attend.
Those who come to meet up with like minded fellows, to get inspirations from the games put on and to bend the ears of their favourite traders in an attempt to nudge their "must have" to the top of the production queue might be more inclined to make the effort, perhaps?
I tend to buy and leave but not before I've spoken to a fair few people, yourself included.
Being in Germany theres only two shows I try and get to
Tactica in Hamburg is on in Feb/March so I think that'll be off this year.
Crisis in Antwerp which is normally in November so might be good for next year.
but I do buy a lot of my stuff off the Internet (but that could be also down this year due to Brexit will depend on how much the tarrifs will be)
I Drove back to UK earlier this year (when all the Covid restrictions were lifted) and brought as lot of my unpainted figures back
so I have enough to do (nearly 3,000 Pendraken 10mm :o) that should keep me busy. ;D
Regards
Sean
Quote from: sean66 on 17 December 2020, 09:32:37 AM
Crisis in Antwerp which is normally in November so might be good for next year.
Crisis will be an interesting one as most of the UK traders I speak to don't think they'll be going anymore post-Brexit. The added paperwork, Customs charges on whatever they sell, plus delays on travel times will make it a lot more difficult.
Quote from: Leon on 17 December 2020, 10:15:47 AM
Crisis will be an interesting one as most of the UK traders I speak to don't think they'll be going anymore post-Brexit. The added paperwork, Customs charges on whatever they sell, plus delays on travel times will make it a lot more difficult.
I think the last Tactica I went to had only 1 UK trader in attendance. Crisis had a lot more.
I think ill wait and see what the extra cost will be to ship stuff over here.
one possibility is ordering it to my sons house over a few months then just picking up in one big go.
there is a wargames shop in Nuremberg that does a lot of different wargaming but mostly 28mm
not really my size. I'm mostly into 6/10mm.
but I do know the gentleman behind the DRM Miniatures lives about an hour away and has a cellar full of figures
so might contact him to buy some.
Regards
Sean
Quote from: sean66 on 17 December 2020, 11:45:53 AM
I think ill wait and see what the extra cost will be to ship stuff over here.
I don't think there'll be much difference initially, Royal Mail are putting a small increase on their prices but not enough to warrant us changing anything. The bonus will be that you can order VAT-free so everything becomes 1/6th cheaper for you in Germany. Then it'll depend on how the German Customs work and if there's customs and handling fees due at your end.
Quote from: Leon on 17 December 2020, 04:01:16 PM
I don't think there'll be much difference initially, Royal Mail are putting a small increase on their prices but not enough to warrant us changing anything. The bonus will be that you can order VAT-free so everything becomes 1/6th cheaper for you in Germany. Then it'll depend on how the German Customs work and if there's customs and handling fees due at your end.
yea its a waiting game there's been no mention of customs and handling fee's as yet.
luckily I'm not desperate for any figures. So it will be a stay calm and wait game.
Regards
Sean
Quote from: Leon on 16 December 2020, 09:50:04 PM
We've been wondering that as well, the two sides may cancel each other out and we'll see the same numbers but I do worry that a lot of people will have realised that they can get all of their goodies online and they don't need to risk travelling, as well as paying for parking and food, etc.
Long-term I would see it just as an acceleration of a trend already there. 20 years ago I was attending to meet up with friends and see the latest ideas and products, which might mean three or four shows a year. Nowadays it has been two every other year with a preference for SALUTE when the savings on postage can offset the cost. However, show attendance seems increasingly about buying and the advantage of NOT attending is the saving in time. For many it is probably cheaper in both time and money to buy online so unless there are solid social reasons to go attendance will continue to decline.
Once the coronavirus situation is a bit clearer and more manageable I expect I will attempt to attend any of the 'normal' shows in range of me. Historically York, Dumfries, Falkirk, Edinburgh, Glasgow, Penrith, Gateshead, Middlesbrough, Forfar, Kirriemuir and Antwerp. I fully expect to be disappointed at some point.
I will still make internet purchases, sometimes collect at shows and sometimes casual purchases and flea market/bring & buy goodies. I also sometimes sell at shows, often in support of a charity.
Part of the issue for me at the only show I go to (St Helens) is that so much in "not applicable".
I'm not really interested in many of the games. They are 28mm or fantasy or ... no, that's about it. I am not what you would call a "participant".
I'm not really interested in most of the stalls. The book sellers, a couple of the scenery/accessories, but I have no interest in Perry miniatures or Frostgrave or board games or a brand new rule set for the War of Jenkins' Ear. There's another stall that I visit. Can't quite remember the name of it ... Oh yes. Tumbling Dice. Always pop in to see the tiny aeroplanes.
For me it's like going to a sports exhibition when I'm only interested in cricket.
That's Carronade provisionally booked for the 25th Sept. (Provisionally taking into account that the state of the nation at that time may still have other restrictions in mind)
Quote from: Genom on 18 December 2020, 07:17:18 PM
That's Carronade provisionally booked for the 25th Sept. (Provisionally taking into account that the state of the nation at that time may still have other restrictions in mind)
Well it's a start.
Much will depend on the roll-out of the vaccines over the next few months as production increases and other vaccines are sanctioned; they are being rolled-out as my mother had her first dose this week (she was 90 in November).
I usually attend four shows: SALUTE is looking a big ask as it's not that far off and the Warlords will be having to make their "go-no go" decision soon (if they haven't already). October's SELWG is, I believe, taking a sabbatical, which leaves COLOURS and WARFARE in September and November respectively. I've never attended CRISIS, although it's on my "to-do-list"; I remember Leon from Adler being very enthusiastic about it to me a few years back.
I think that COLOURS and WARFARE should be quite feasible, although I would imagine that face-coverings might still be required when travelling and in enclosed spaces. They seems to manage wearing coverings quite well in the Far East where the collective psyche still seems to be affected by the SARS outbreak about 10 years ago.
Whilst websites have improved enormously and have lots of photos, I still like to see the figures in my hand and get a feel for them, which is why I enjoy the shows. I usually compile orders to be picked up in person, that way my money goes to the trader without part of it having to be passed to the courier. Fortunately, I live in the South East and all these shows (clearly not not CRISIS) are do-able in a day and I recently qualified for my Freedom Pass which takes care of the travel expenses.
There are approximately some 28 million people in the UK above 50. to give them the two dose treatment of the vaccine is 56 Million doses.
Each patient is supposed to get a 15 minute slot so thats 4 shots an hour by each person giving the vaccine
The NHS plane to recruits 30,000 volunteers to give out the vaccine - so that approx 120,000 doses an hour or 960,000 per 8 hour day
So we are looking at around 2 months minimum to vaccinate those at greater risk.
This assumes :-
1 It really does only take 15 mins per person to vaccinate them. Practically the first shot takes longer due to paperwork - some of the first shots are taking an hour.
2. We can get enough vaccine to run at nearly 1 Million vaccinations a day
3 We can actually get the extra 30,000 volunteers needed to do this.
So In reality I think its unlikely that any shows will be allowed to run before June 2021.
If it's like the Flu jab it should only need 5 minutes, been getting it for 6 yrs.
Flu jabs don't need to be stored at -70. That's got to complicate things a little.
Quote from: ianrs54 on 22 December 2020, 04:09:17 PM
If it's like the Flu jab it should only need 5 minutes, been getting it for 6 yrs.
neither do you have to fill out loads of paperwork. My brother took his neighbor to get vaccinated. Goes something liike this
Arirve at doctors. Speak to receptionist to confirm your thiere
Wait 5 mins for the nurse to come out .
Nurse confirms your details. spends 15 mins explaining about the vaccine and any possible side effects, Then gives you some form to fill out and sign basicaly stating that you wish to to have the vaccine and accept all the possible risks
Back to reception to fill out forms,
10 mins later nurse calls you again
Confirms who are and takes forms
Then you get the vaccine
Whole process took over an hour, about half the time you were with the nurse. If this is the case for the most people it will be at least 4 months for the over 50s to be vaccinated
Quote from: Orcs on 22 December 2020, 02:54:40 PM
There are approximately some 28 million people in the UK above 50. to give them the two dose treatment of the vaccine is 56 Million doses.
Each patient is supposed to get a 15 minute slot so thats 4 shots an hour by each person giving the vaccine
The NHS plane to recruits 30,000 volunteers to give out the vaccine - so that approx 120,000 doses an hour or 960,000 per 8 hour day
So we are looking at around 2 months minimum to vaccinate those at greater risk.
This assumes :-
1 It really does only take 15 mins per person to vaccinate them. Practically the first shot takes longer due to paperwork - some of the first shots are taking an hour.
2. We can get enough vaccine to run at nearly 1 Million vaccinations a day
3 We can actually get the extra 30,000 volunteers needed to do this.
So In reality I think its unlikely that any shows will be allowed to run before June 2021.
The shooter can overlap their targets. (ie they're not on a 15 minute reload)
Most of the 15 minutes is sitting in recovery to ensure you don't get an adverse reaction.
With a large enough clinic you can shove them out to a dispersal area with one person running a timer.
That's how it worked when my mother and father were done.
Quote from: Ithoriel on 22 December 2020, 04:33:29 PM
Flu jabs don't need to be stored at -70. That's got to complicate things a little.
I complicates the supply chain, but they are good above -70 for a 3 day window, so shouldn't delay the injections process.
I'm certainly not having one of that 'brand' until they've warmed it up....That's colder than liquid CO2. :o
Cheers - Phil :D
Isn't the Oxford room temp one approved as well. That stores at higher temps I understand.
Quote from: ianrs54 on 23 December 2020, 07:32:05 AM
Isn't the Oxford room temp one approved as well. That stores at higher temps I understand.
Oxford is normal handling - your common or garden fridge.
More important, we're in for 50 million doses - as opposed to 5 million for the AstraZeneca.
I'm pretty sure you're right, Ian. :)
IF.....I had the choice...I'd ask for that one.
I think we just have to take whichever one our 'health authority' has got on hand when it's 'our' turn.
Don't care which one it is......But I am taking a big magnifying glass down, to check there are no microchips in the ampule, before they inject it... (Gimme frigging strength X_X)
Cheers - Phil. ;)
Always thought you were paranoid Phil :D But thewn they ARE out to get you !
What the **** is the thewn ?
I genuinely give up.
The present improbable participle of "then" perhaps? :)
Just, don't !
Look I never said I could type. And yours be far from puuuuurrrrfec :d
Quote from: steve_holmes_11 on 23 December 2020, 12:32:15 AM
The shooter can overlap their targets. (ie they're not on a 15 minute reload)
Most of the 15 minutes is sitting in recovery to ensure you don't get an adverse reaction.
With a large enough clinic you can shove them out to a dispersal area with one person running a timer.
That's how it worked when my mother and father were done.
Yes that would make sense, but in my brothers case it was the same nurse doing it all.
"The shooter can overlap their targets. (ie they're not on a 15 minute reload)
Most of the 15 minutes is sitting in recovery to ensure you don't get an adverse reaction.
With a large enough clinic you can shove them out to a dispersal area with one person running a timer.
That's how it worked when my mother and father were done."
Sounds much how it must have worked with my mother's jab. Dropped her outside the clinic, parked the car about 5 minutes away and walked back to the clinic, enquired whether she had been seen yet and was directed to the recovery area where she was waiting already. The whole exercise, from leaving home to arriving back, took 35 minutes. The whole operation, from my brief look, seemed to be very well organised; full praise to the NHS in this part of Enfield.
Quote from: Techno II on 23 December 2020, 10:39:56 AM
Don't care which one it is......But I am taking a big magnifying glass down, to check there are no microchips in the ampule, before they inject it... (Gimme frigging strength X_X)
Cheers - Phil. ;)
No need to look for a microchip Techno ! mobile phones don't work where you live so I doubt a microchip will ;D
regards
Sean
Don't be too sure. Remember that for some parts of the planet microchips are a way of giving of giving the whole family a fair share when potatoes are an expensive luxury.
GOOD GREIF - :'( :'( :'(
Alexander is on terrible form today - Nobby get his coat
Trying to keep my spirits up - got to try to win today with the Turks....
Quote from: FierceKitty on 29 December 2020, 08:10:03 AM
Trying to keep my spirits up - got to try to win today with the Turks....
good luck just keep them out of the fast food vendors or the barbers and you'll be fine.
Regards
Sean
Quote from: sean66 on 29 December 2020, 11:52:10 AM
good luck just keep them out of the fast food vendors or the barbers and you'll be fine.
Regards
Sean
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
He is playing his nemesis. He will need all the luck he can get. :)
I guess lockdown to 31 March will take out much of the year's shows.
Quote from: hammurabi70 on 06 January 2021, 11:29:22 PM
I guess lockdown to 31 March will take out much of the year's shows.
Yeah, I can't see us getting any shows until July/August at the earliest based on the current vaccine rollout estimates. And that's based on the 2 million per week max capacity and no further strain mutations. If we can't hit the 2m per week then we might not be able to hold mass events until well into the autumn or even potentially not until 2022.
From memory the first roll out of the vaccination will cover those over 50 and the clinically extremely vulnerable, which should be finished by late Spring or early Summer. After that the rest of the population will be vaccinated. So frankly I'm not expecting any chance of a show until the Autumn or even until next year. I'd love to attend one but I'm in no hurry to attend the usual rugby scrum of most shows!
Quick update today, the Phalanx show has just been cancelled so that's the first of the June shows to disappear. At this stage I don't think we'll see anything through June/July/August, potentially right through until the end of the year with the vaccine rollout.
Well that's my social calendar down by one event to ... let's not go there.
Look! It's a Swedish Centurion!
(https://eu-wotp.wgcdn.co/dcont/fb/image/centurion-sweden.jpg)
Nice telegraph pole.
Do they all carry one? ;D
Think it's for the AA mount. :-\
How do you know its Swedjsh.
Does the engine have an accent. ;)
Quote from: howayman on 13 January 2021, 06:36:39 PM
How do you know its Swedjsh.
Does the engine have an accent. ;)
No, the gun fires meatballs!
Quote from: howayman on 13 January 2021, 06:36:39 PM
How do you know its Swedjsh.
Does the engine have an accent. ;)
They can be conveniently stored and transported in flat packs.
There's a chef on the engine deck !
Quick update for everyone, Broadside in Sittingbourne has been rescheduled for Saturday 6th November.
Isn't that the weekend for Warfare ?
Quote from: Leon on 24 January 2021, 02:50:44 PM
Quick update for everyone, Broadside in Sittingbourne has been rescheduled for Saturday 6th November.
Too far south for me, might clash with Crisis if its on.
Quote from: jimduncanuk on 24 January 2021, 03:50:26 PM
Too far south for me, might clash with Crisis if its on.
I'm not sure what'll happen with Crisis, the paperwork and hassle involved in taking a trade stand to Belgium is extensive and I'm not sure if many wargames companies will find it viable anymore.
Lots of Comments about Salute 2021 on the South London Warlords and Salute Facebook page None from the organizers about it since last August when things were very different.
I wonder if they are afraid of cancelling/postponing again as I expect most traders and Punters will want their money back. I am not sure how many wouod accept another postponement of 6-12 months , while the organizers hold all the deposits. - I just hope they have sufficient funds to refund those who request it.
They seem to be relying on the fact that the closure date for the Nightinggale Hospital is 31st Marh. However I cannot see it closing then, at most it is likely to be mothballed until they have vaccinated all those over 50 , which is supposed to be about autumn.
I believe they form a limited company each year, so if they have spent the money on preparing for the show they may not have the cash to give refunds.
Anybody have any real info on this?
No info from here, we've not heard anything from them since last July when they announced the 2021 date. I'd imagine that they're stuck in an awkward position waiting for the government and ExCeL to pull the plug, otherwise they'd be liable for the cancellation costs.
I think this time most traders will want the money back, as the future of all the shows is looking doubtful until autumn at the earliest. A lot of companies might decide not to go back to shows at all, and another chunk will need that trade stand money to get them through these strange times.
Quote from: Leon on 25 January 2021, 09:12:10 AM
No info from here, we've not heard anything from them since last July when they announced the 2021 date. I'd imagine that they're stuck in an awkward position waiting for the government and ExCeL to pull the plug, otherwise they'd be liable for the cancellation costs.
I think this time most traders will want the money back, as the future of all the shows is looking doubtful until autumn at the earliest. A lot of companies might decide not to go back to shows at all, and another chunk will need that trade stand money to get them through these strange times.
That's very much what I was thinking. By all accounts the Warlords have done very well profit wise over the years running Salute so hopefully they will be ok.
Quote from: Leon on 24 January 2021, 04:54:50 PM
I'm not sure what'll happen with Crisis, the paperwork and hassle involved in taking a trade stand to Belgium is extensive and I'm not sure if many wargames companies will find it viable anymore.
A real shame, Crisis, plus a bit of sightseeing, and catching up with old friends was on my bucket list.
Let's hope that sanity and necessity see a shakedown of the new red tape.
Quote from: Leon on 25 January 2021, 09:12:10 AM
No info from here, we've not heard anything from them since last July when they announced the 2021 date. I'd imagine that they're stuck in an awkward position waiting for the government and ExCeL to pull the plug, otherwise they'd be liable for the cancellation costs.
I think this time most traders will want the money back, as the future of all the shows is looking doubtful until autumn at the earliest. A lot of companies might decide not to go back to shows at all, and another chunk will need that trade stand money to get them through these strange times.
Isn't ExCeL currently serving the nation as Nightingale (London) plus mass vaccination centre.
It'll take a while to get that decommmed and ready for normal usage.
Quote from: steve_holmes_11 on 25 January 2021, 10:58:02 AM
Let's hope that sanity and necessity see a shakedown of the new red tape.
I hope so. We've been talking to our local council's Brexit transition team and the Crisis show would be a nightmare currently. All of the stock needs to be exported/imported into Belgium, plus all of the stand equipment (racking/tills/display figures) has to be declared as non-sale items. Then the same has to be done to leave Belgium after the show, with the possibility of them emptying the whole van at the side of the road to check it over. We'd have to register in Belgium and pay someone to take care of our VAT payments there. And finally all of us would need green cards and visas in order to travel there!
Quote from: steve_holmes_11 on 25 January 2021, 11:00:39 AM
Isn't ExCeL currently serving the nation as Nightingale (London) plus mass vaccination centre.
It'll take a while to get that decommmed and ready for normal usage.
I believe they were planned to be there for at least a year. So yes they ae unlikely to be closed on March 31st, They may be 'put in mothballs' if we ae over this spike by then, but i doubt they will be decommissioned fully until after the vaccine rollout is complete. Due to the amount of effort to put them in in the first place. The government would be mad to close them completely until we have Covid fully under control.
I just wonder if they are paying for them or have requisitioned them as a national emergency.
Quote from: Leon on 25 January 2021, 11:19:52 AM
I hope so. We've been talking to our local council's Brexit transition team and the Crisis show would be a nightmare currently. All of the stock needs to be exported/imported into Belgium, plus all of the stand equipment (racking/tills/display figures) has to be declared as non-sale items. Then the same has to be done to leave Belgium after the show, with the possibility of them emptying the whole van at the side of the road to check it over. We'd have to register in Belgium and pay someone to take care of our VAT payments there. And finally all of us would need green cards and visas in order to travel there!
Sounds like a complete non-starter.
Certainly as a trader it sounds more hassle than it's worth to attend shows in Europe.
Post on TMP reporting a Warlords post on Facebook. Bottom line. ........ SALUTE postponed to 27th November. Didn't say which year!
'M'
This is going to be fun, Warfare is already scheduled for 27th/28th November! Once again, shows not checking the calendar to make sure that they don't clash with others.
Quote from: Leon on 25 January 2021, 11:19:52 AM
I hope so. We've been talking to our local council's Brexit transition team and the Crisis show would be a nightmare currently. All of the stock needs to be exported/imported into Belgium, plus all of the stand equipment (racking/tills/display figures) has to be declared as non-sale items. Then the same has to be done to leave Belgium after the show, with the possibility of them emptying the whole van at the side of the road to check it over. We'd have to register in Belgium and pay someone to take care of our VAT payments there. And finally all of us would need green cards and visas in order to travel there!
I recall reading similar stuff soon after travel was relaxed to Poland and East Germany.
I think this was Private Eye.
Orchestras had to register their instruments in and out (Have you seen the price of Violins? - madness).
It reached a head when a double bass player switched orchestras, and somehow didn't get all his paperwork handed over.
He was stopped at the German border and accused of smuggling 12 double basses into the country.
The problem in this case was that the individuals completed their inbound paperwork.
The Orchestra's agents in country completed the exit paperwork in bulk, and the two records had not been merged.
Good luck in reaching a saner method of trading overseas.
The Current arrangements are OK for a Honda or GSK, but ridiculous for any small enterprise.
Quote from: Leon on 26 January 2021, 10:09:03 AM
This is going to be fun, Warfare is already scheduled for 27th/28th November! Once again, shows not checking the calendar to make sure that they don't clash with others.
TMP post now says SALUTE on 13th!
Still a bit of thunder stealing.
Quote from: mollinary on 27 January 2021, 05:10:31 PM
TMP post now says SALUTE on 13th!
Yep, we've had the confirmation email today so it looks like they've seen the Warfare clash and adjusted slightly. This does mean that we'll be at Broadside (Kent) on 6th Nov, Salute (London) on the 13th Nov, our own Battleground (Stockton) on 20th Nov, and then back down for Warfare (Ascot) on the 27th/28th November... That's going to be a hectic month!
Quote from: Leon on 27 January 2021, 05:59:49 PM
Yep, we've had the confirmation email today so it looks like they've seen the Warfare clash and adjusted slightly. This does mean that we'll be at Broadside (Kent) on 6th Nov, Salute (London) on the 13th Nov, our own Battleground (Stockton) on 20th Nov, and then back down for Warfare (Ascot) on the 27th/28th November... That's going to be a hectic month!
That sounds absolutely exhausting.
Hello,
Will Pendraken be at Hammerhead on Saturday July 31st?
It might be too early for you to commit but it'll effect my budgeting and buying over the next couple of months.
Thank you and regards,
Martin
Quote from: Smoking gun on 04 March 2021, 11:15:16 AM
Will Pendraken be at Hammerhead on Saturday July 31st?
It might be too early for you to commit but it'll effect my budgeting and buying over the next couple of months.
If the show goes ahead then we'll be there, but I'm not optimistic about it at this stage. The vaccine program is scheduled to only just be completed by then so there's a lot of things that could delay that (vaccine supply, new strains) and the government is likely to still enforce social distancing and face masks. The latter isn't really a problem but the former really impacts a wargames show and makes them unviable really.
Quote from: Leon on 27 January 2021, 05:59:49 PM
Yep, we've had the confirmation email today so it looks like they've seen the Warfare clash and adjusted slightly. This does mean that we'll be at Broadside (Kent) on 6th Nov, Salute (London) on the 13th Nov, our own Battleground (Stockton) on 20th Nov, and then back down for Warfare (Ascot) on the 27th/28th November... That's going to be a hectic month!
When will we need to get our orders in? :D. It will be good to be able to pick up from trader stands but there could be a lot of pent up demand and a lot of orders.
Quote from: hammurabi70 on 04 March 2021, 01:44:01 PM
When will we need to get our orders in? :D. It will be good to be able to pick up from trader stands but there could be a lot of pent up demand and a lot of orders.
Whenever you like, as long as it's more than 7 days in advance of the event!
Quote from: Leon on 04 March 2021, 02:51:25 PM
Whenever you like, as long as it's more than 7 days in advance of the event!
I guess you won't be getting any sleep in November then, doing all the shows and working on the orders. :o
Quote from: hammurabi70 on 04 March 2021, 08:52:11 PM
I guess you won't be getting any sleep in November then, doing all the shows and working on the orders. :o
Doing a few shows in a row isn't normally too bad as long as we've got the people here to get everything restocked, but running our own show right in the middle there is going to be chaos!
Just to add my random thoughts (another post - another step nearer captain).
I don't think any 21 show can rely on the vaccination program. The vaccination target is all adults offered a jab by end July. If its a two-jab version, they wont be fully vaccinated and with full antibodies until November. And there is talk of booster jabs for variants. And then there are the "don't want it" brigade. And vaccines are not 100% effective. Its a pity there isn't equal research emphasis on cures.
I think the demand for shows remains and the valiant efforts of the clubs to keep rescheduling suggests they do as well. I have mainly purchased online for decades. That has not stopped me going to shows. What you get at shows is browsing for stuff you don't know exists or discussing ideas/solutions in a faster way than you can on a forum like this. And you get to see lots of displays and games, think "me want" and pay huge sums to traders because the other half is usually not there to keep an eye on you.
But will it be safe? Wargame shows tend not to be socially distanced . I can remember being able to take my feet off the floor at one bring and buy. They are also attended by non adults. Or unvaccinated little germ carriers as I affectionately know them. ;) Events are indoors and need to be crowded to be successful. So its a risk for the organising clubs in proceeding and all eyes will be on the first one to actually go ahead.
For the older attendee, there is a definite Covid risk in attending and I think that's the key unknown about how many will accept that and how many wont. I am intending to take the risk around Autumn for smaller get togethers like SoA battle day but no way am I going near a Salute/SELWG type event in 2021 and possibly not in 22 either.
And then there is the travel. I am too old to whizz up and down the country in a day as our honourable Viscount does. So I used to attend Vapnertak as part of justifying a tour of friends and relatives: Vapnertak = south coast home-midlands-york-sunderland-midlands-home but it takes some organising and I worry they have got out of the habit of enjoying my company.
My conclusion is that any 21/early 22 shows that do happen will have fewer attendees and with a lower average age.
I must admit I feel the same way Dave.
I ha e booked a gaming day in September for the mega To the strongest games, and I would hope to attend one or two of the smaller shows. With the proviso they are not to crowded. If they are I will turn around and go back home.
Hopefully 2022 will be a better year for shows.
Interesting thoughts Dave. I'm getting my 2nd jab next Saturday 24th, 12 weeks and 1 day after the first. (I'm marshaling this Sat) So looks as if we are well on time. So KIsuspect you may be a tad pessimistic in your analysis. The major problem will be the 12 week gap thought to be needed between jabs. FRom my limited experiance the actual process is very efficent (unlike the eye clinic at Arrowe Park) so there should be no hold-ups at that end. Here's hoping anyway.
Quote from: ianrs54 on 15 April 2021, 12:48:28 PM
Interesting thoughts Dave. I'm getting my 2nd jab next Saturday 24th, 12 weeks and 1 day after the first. (I'm marshaling this Sat) So looks as if we are well on time. So KIsuspect you may be a tad pessimistic in your analysis. The major problem will be the 12 week gap thought to be needed between jabs. FRom my limited experiance the actual process is very efficent (unlike the eye clinic at Arrowe Park) so there should be no hold-ups at that end. Here's hoping anyway.
I'll be very happy to be proved wrong. The last 12 months has tended to dull my optimistic and sunny nature a tad. :) :)
Respect to you for helping out the jabbers. =D>
Quote from: DecemDave on 15 April 2021, 03:03:10 PM
I'll be very happy to be proved wrong. The last 12 months has tended to dull my optimistic and sunny nature a tad. :) :)
Respect to you for helping out the jabbers. =D>
I hope you are proved wrong but respect your position. As to helping with marshaling well wanted to do something. Check with local surgeries to see if they are looking for volenteers and put your name down.
Quote from: Orcs on 15 April 2021, 12:47:23 PM
I must admit I feel the same way Dave.
Mark......If you still intend to get
anywhere near Techno Towers by having a break at Eggysulu (Sic).......I'd love to see you.
I'll even tell you how to pronounce that particular village. ;)
Cheers - Phil. :)
Given I've had my first jab which doesn't appear to have produced any antibodies, I doubt very much I will feel safe going to a show this year, which is a real shame as I was looking forward to possibly attending Colours :(.
Steve ;)....Even when myself and the good Von, have had our second jabs.....We'll both be going to keep wearing masks, and wearing disposable gloves for a good few months.
There are still a number of complete dockheads (sic) about....even over here. X_X......Though they really are in the minority.....Fortunately !
Cheers - Phil. :)
There's so much to consider for running an event right now that I can't even start to think about it for Battleground. There's Covid passports, face masks to be enforced, social distancing to build into layouts, potential for reduced numbers to due to Covid anxiety, further outbreaks/strains that cause further friction, event insurance for a large gathering. And then the small chance that someone at the event has Covid and passes it to other attendees. I couldn't face potentially infecting people through my event.
I've just updated the list to show the cancelled Hammerhead, Claymore, Colours and Border Reiver. Our next event if Covid allows, will be Carronade in Falkirk on September 25th.
Wont be there - Falkirk is a bit far for me
Quote from: Leon on 25 July 2021, 12:34:14 PM
I've just updated the list to show the cancelled Hammerhead, Claymore, Colours and Border Reiver. Our next event if Covid allows, will be Carronade in Falkirk on September 25th.
Carronade is my favourite.
But I'm struggling to reconcile the twisty corridors of Graeme High School with any form of social distancing.
So looking forward to it, double jabbed, but still a bit nervous.
Carronade is my second favourite after Claymore and just ahead of Joy of Six but I'm not expecting to go until next year, at the earliest.
Well JoS is virtual this year.
It was indeed and a brave effort was made but it wasn't a patch on the analogue version.
Well hopfully for next year !
What's the wargames equivalent of "Next year in Jerusalem"? :)
"After I finish this project"?
Quote from: fsn on 26 July 2021, 01:52:40 PM
"After I finish this project"?
You finish projects !!!!
I'm not sure we'll see Carronade either. I think the current event restrictions are 400 people max so will those still be in place in September? Running those numbers, if Carronade gets 600-700 visitors but there's 120-150 traders and gamers already in there, you'd need to either run a '1 in / 1 out' system, or split the visitors down into 3 batches. Plus the canteen and central halls are both always a bottle neck and you'd never be able to socially distance them without removing all of the games.
Quote from: Lord Kermit of Birkenhead on 26 July 2021, 02:05:17 PM
You finish projects !!!!
Certainly. I have finished some projects several times.
It's like a friend of mine used to say about smoking: "It is easy to give up smoking. I have done it several times."
Just seen on the PARTIZAN site you are going, excellent see you there 10/10/2021
Quote from: iw07596 on 12 September 2021, 08:11:52 PM
Just seen on the PARTIZAN site you are going, excellent see you there 10/10/2021
Yep, after about 15 years on the waiting list we're in!
Give my regards to Newark, Leon.
Cheers - Phil. :)
Quote from: Techno II on 13 September 2021, 07:38:13 AM
Give my regards to Newark, Leon.
Cheers - Phil. :)
Newark does not have the views you have now.
But it has a takeaway that does chips with onion gravy. :x :x (Or at least it did)
Cheers - Phil. :)
Quote from: Techno II on 14 September 2021, 07:09:58 AM
But it has a takeaway that does chips with onion gravy. :x :x (Or at least it did)
Cheers - Phil. :)
Na closed by the elf (and safety)
Awww....I do hope not ! :(
They were absolutely yummy !!.....I'll have to learn how to make decent onion gravy...Can't be that difficult, even with my limited culinary skills !
Cheers - Phil. :)
Buy a tin ?
I was thinking more of four heaped tablespoons of Bisto, half a pint of boiling water.....half fry an onion or two, then slap it all together. (and maybe heat for a few seconds.)
Cheers - Jamie Oliver. ;)
Someone get round to Phil's - he's about to use sharpe knives.....Phil you KNOW what the doctor said !
Plasters on standby ! :D
Last, and I think the only time I've cut myself with a kitchen knife, was when I was washing the carving knife...and picked it up by the blade....Couldn't see it under all the soap suds !!
Boy, was it sharp !! :o
Cheers - Phil. :)
Quote from: Techno II on 15 September 2021, 07:56:32 AM
Plasters on standby ! :D
Last, and I think the only time I've cut myself with a kitchen knife, was when I was washing the carving knife...and picked it up by the blade....Couldn't see it under all the soap suds !!
Boy, was it sharp !! :o
Cheers - Phil. :)
I went on a knife skills course (Kitchen use) and the first three things he said about knife
1 - Keep them sharp
2 - NEVER,EVER put your sharp knives in a dishwasher no matter what it says on the box about being dishwasher safe
3 - Put your knife to the side of the bowl when washing up and only pick it up when you are going to wash it - DO NOT put it in the bowl in case you cut yourself on it.
Mrs Orcs thinks I am a "Sharp Knife Nazi". the one day she did exactly the opposite to rule three and cut herself badly. It was my fault apparently for keeping the knife so sharp. (Most of my knives are like razors)
Quote from: Orcs on 15 September 2021, 09:08:34 PM
I went on a knife skills course (Kitchen use) and the first three things he said about knife
DO NOT put it in the bowl in case you cut yourself on it.
NOW he tells me ! ;)
Cheers - Phil. :)
I want to put my first order in to collect at a show: WARFARE. How is that done through the normal ordering system?
Edit: ignore that, just read the WARFARE show entry!
Quote from: hammurabi70 on 10 November 2021, 05:51:34 PMI want to put my first order in to collect at a show: WARFARE. How is that done through the normal ordering system?
Edit: ignore that, just read the WARFARE show entry!
Yep, if you choose the 'Collect at Pendraken/Event' delivery option and then put a quick note on the Comments box on the next page, we'll get that sorted out and ready for you to collect.