Just got notified of the Great Wargaming Survey 2020. Interesting to see the stats and information they compile from it in the past so happy to fill it in to add to that.
You can fill it in here https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/T5H2LVP if you're interested.
Just completed it :).
Done!
Done.
But there's not a thing that helps from a toy soldier maker's point of view. :P
I fear that a lot of what I put down will give the 'psycologist' the headache he deserves. ;D
Cheers - Phil
Filled it in but lots of questions I don't see the relevance of. Maybe I'm just grumpy.
Quote from: jimduncanuk on 01 August 2020, 03:33:42 PM
Filled it in but lots of questions I don't see the relevance of. Maybe I'm just grumpy.
I agree Jim, but then I AM grumpy....
I suspect the psych questions are to get a sense of what personality traits relate to what interests. E.g. is someone who is highly competitive and disagreeable more likely to be drawn to game systems and periods that encourage more tournament style play. Do more conscientious gamers enjoy the research and list building, while social players prefer the playing and group activity. Some of those are probably quite obvious answers but there may be a few surprises. E.g. is the difference between primarily fantasy/sci-fi and primarily historical more down to age and gender, or down to particular aspects of someone's personality?
Quote from: ianrs54 on 01 August 2020, 03:50:47 PM
I agree Jim, but then I AM grumpy....
I'm Grumpy & so's my wife !
Cheers - Phil
Quote from: mmcv on 01 August 2020, 03:54:01 PM
I suspect the psych questions are to get a sense of what personality traits relate to what interests. E.g. is someone who is highly competitive and disagreeable more likely to be drawn to game systems and periods that encourage more tournament style play. Do more conscientious gamers enjoy the research and list building, while social players prefer the playing and group activity. Some of those are probably quite obvious answers but there may be a few surprises. E.g. is the difference between primarily fantasy/sci-fi and primarily historical more down to age and gender, or down to particular aspects of someone's personality?
I used to have two chums who were super-competitive, even more so when they played in the same game. It was always a problem having them play in the same multi-player game so I stopped inviting them to play in games where there was a strong sociable theme.
Quote from: Techno on 01 August 2020, 04:11:02 PM
I'm Grumpy & so's my wife !
Cheers - Phil
A matched pair then.
Hi
I'm not sure why the 'psycologist' deserves a headache but I have felt for some time that there is a good thesis to be had on how wargamers 'MBTI types' (https://www.myersbriggs.org/my-mbti-personality-type/mbti-basics/) effects the periods they play and the type of rules they prefer. :-
Cheers Paul
The questions seemed markedly different from previous years, such as no favourite manufacturers, rules etc, so it will be interesting to see how they collate the results. As Phil says, what use, if any, it will be )or has ever been) remains to be seen.
Quote from: jimduncanuk on 01 August 2020, 04:27:53 PM
I used to have two chums who were super-competitive, even more so when they played in the same game. It was always a problem having them play in the same multi-player game so I stopped inviting them to play in games where there was a strong sociable theme.
Yeah can definitely see where that mismatch can lead to issues. Some people find that hyper competition fun, others just want to hangout and push some models around to see what interesting historical things can happen.
Quote from: T13A on 01 August 2020, 04:42:15 PM
Hi
I'm not sure why the 'psycologist' deserves a headache but I have felt for some time that there is a good thesis to be had on how wargamers 'MBTI types' (https://www.myersbriggs.org/my-mbti-personality-type/mbti-basics/) effects the periods they play and the type of rules they prefer. :-
Cheers Paul
I'm sure there is definitely some relationship there. I've always been a skeptical of the MBTI as it tries to shoehorn people into 16 different types (https://www.16personalities.com/free-personality-test) and in my experience a lot of people sit on the borderline of different ones. But some of the underlying theory is interesting. The Big5 (https://openpsychometrics.org/tests/IPIP-BFFM/) addresses this slightly by looking at the different traits in isolation on the scale. Though that's not as interesting as having a "type" to write about! ;D
Saying that I do tend to fit into my "type" quite well, so it's a bit more accurate than say astrology star signs.... probably.
Quote from: mmcv on 01 August 2020, 05:27:32 PM
Yeah can definitely see where that mismatch can lead to issues. Some people find that hyper competition fun, others just want to hangout and push some models around to see what interesting historical things can happen.
I think in this case the 'fun' was long since gone as I do remember a rulebook flying across the table and hitting the target. What I wasn't sure about whether it was a ranging shot or return fire.
Quote from: jimduncanuk on 01 August 2020, 05:34:35 PM
I think in this case the 'fun' was long since gone as I do remember a rulebook flying across the table and hitting the target. What I wasn't sure about whether it was a ranging shot or return fire.
Ha! Yeah well if children can't play nice then they best not play at all... And that applies to children of all ages.
How many painted figures in your collection? Max of 2500.
That's a long weekend for Lemmey!
Done.
I, too, wonder about the validity of some questions or whether some were written by none gamers - as I play / have armies for lots of 6mm stuff I have WELL over 2500 figures!
I suspect the figure count question does show somewhat of a big scale bias, but equally it asks what scales you favour so could extrapolate from that I guess
Only a top 5 periods :o
As others have noted "More than 2500 painted figures", I have more than that in 4 periods ;)
Done - some interesting questions this year.
How likely are you to keep wargaming for the foreseeable future?
Very unlikely Moderately unlikely Neither unlikely nor likely Moderately likely Very likely
Is this a trick question??
As for the how many figures do you have I think they should have added another zero to their figures? ;)
Quote from: pierre the shy on 01 August 2020, 10:47:19 PM
As for the how many figures do you have I think they should have added another zero to their figures? ;)
Agree, as in the smaller scales larger armies are more common, I have around 4500 figures just in my LOA forces
Cheers
Ian
QuoteHow likely are you to keep wargaming for the foreseeable future?
When I was a member of Portbury Knights wargames club, it was not uncommon for members to play less, pause wargaming etc due to work commitments, starting a family, going to Uni etc, so a not unreasonable question.
Quote from: paulr on 01 August 2020, 10:34:56 PM
Only a top 5 periods :o
Yes I was surprised they didn't instead just have us rank all that apply on those questions as there were a few it was hard to pick just a few options.
Quote from: pierre the shy on 01 August 2020, 10:47:19 PM
How likely are you to keep wargaming for the foreseeable future?
Is this a trick question??
Well, I dip in and out, but it never really goes away. I haven't actually played a wargame for, what, over three years now. I've barely painted anything in that time. I've bought a few figures, and a few ruleset, and done a lot of prep work for either a spacehulk/aliens-style sci-fi skirmish game, for a rpg-lite fantasy game (probably using Sellswords & Spellslingers, but two other rulesets are also being looked at!), and a Warmaster-style mass-battle game. But none of this has actually yet resulted in a game being played. But I still feel I'm "in" the wargaming hobby, as it were.
There was a another question about "Do you play to win?". What? Who doesn't? What's the point if you don't?
And I don't mean "win at all cost". Just win.
I used to play board games with my mum when small. She never cared if she won or lost, she was just entertaining little me. But even I was bored, knowing she didn't care about the outcome.
On playing to win, it's probably more a case of what's important. For some winning or losing is less of a deal than just enjoying the game. There might be those who enjoy the historical simulation or playing out scenarios to see what happens and are less invested in their side compared to that game overall. Then there's those of us who often pay solo where winning and losing are two sides of the same coin.
Quote from: mmcv on 02 August 2020, 09:45:13 AM
Then there's those of us who often pay solo where winning and losing are two sides of the same coin.
Well, that's me! And I always play to win.
And winning doesn't always mean to crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentations of their women. Sometimes it's just get one figure off the north edge of the board, or hold the barricade for 6 turns.
Quote from: Techno on 01 August 2020, 04:11:02 PM
I'm Grumpy & so's my wife !
Cheers - Phil
We Know :d
If only you did. ;)
Cheers - Phil.
I think we can all understand why Phil's wife is grumpy...
Bloody cheek ! ;)
Cheers - Phil :P
;D ;D ;D
Quote from: Nick the Lemming on 02 August 2020, 12:46:09 PM
I think we can all understand why Phil's wife is grumpy...
Well said that man =D>
To re-rail the thread a little :)
I was tempted to add a comment at the end to the effect that I only played one period 1,000,000BC to 1,000,000AD and that I had more than 2500 figures in one Corps of my Napoleonic 6mm French Army but I felt it would add little to the survey. :)
Quote from: Ithoriel on 02 August 2020, 04:13:50 PM
To re-rail the thread a little :)
I was tempted to add a comment at the end to the effect that I only played one period 1,000,000BC to 1,000,000AD and that I had more than 2500 figures in one Corps of my Napoleonic 6mm French Army but I felt it would add little to the survey. :)
In your 1,000,000 years BC army do you have a Raquel Welch? I remember her in the film, :)
Quote from: Orcs on 02 August 2020, 05:27:41 PM
In your 1,000,000 years BC army do you have a Raquel Welch? I remember her in the film, :)
Of course ... but for accuracy I had to remove the fur bikini as anachronistic :)
I filled it in yesterday, not much use in that survey. Found the questions stupid. Big departure from lst years. Also, wasit just me or was it fairly short?
It would be nice if they had an "all" for the periods rather than a lot of conflict specific ones.
Quote from: petercooman on 02 August 2020, 07:32:05 PM
I filled it in yesterday, not much use in that survey. Found the questions stupid. Big departure from lst years. Also, wasit just me or was it fairly short?
Didn't seem particularly short? The ranking questions were a bit of a faff in a phone so that took a while.
Quote from: mmcv on 01 August 2020, 10:12:01 PM
I suspect the figure count question does show somewhat of a big scale bias, but equally it asks what scales you favour so could extrapolate from that I guess
Do you think they'll find a trend for the small figure collectors having more figures.
Quote from: steve_holmes_11 on 02 August 2020, 08:16:38 PM
Do you think they'll find a trend for the small figure collectors having more figures.
Can't imagine why they would?
;D
Quote from: fsn on 01 August 2020, 06:17:53 PM
How many painted figures in your collection? Max of 2500.
Even Mrs Orcs thought that question was a bit stupid
Quote from: fsn on 01 August 2020, 06:17:53 PM
How many painted figures in your collection? Max of 2500.
Maybe they meant 2500 collections!
I've painted that many this year!
Done although I always come across in these surveys as a highly introverted and disagreeable nerd. I'd like to be competitive but with my dice rolling skills it would be a triumph of hope over experience.
oh if only that glass was even half empty. :D
At least my little soldiers like me. At least i like to think so.....
Quote from: DecemDave on 03 August 2020, 12:29:30 PM
Done although I always come across in these surveys as a highly introverted and disagreeable nerd.
You say that like it's a bad thing?
Put in my 2p worth too as it is nice to have a chance to win something in the raffle and help people understand what the gamers out here want.
Quote from: Ithoriel on 02 August 2020, 04:13:50 PM
To re-rail the thread a little :)
I was tempted to add a comment at the end to the effect that I only played one period 1,000,000BC to 1,000,000AD and that I had more than 2500 figures in one Corps of my Napoleonic 6mm French Army but I felt it would add little to the survey. :)
Pointing out that they seemed to underestimate peoples collections might be a point worth making. Presumably if a large percentage of results show this to be the case then they would be increasing the numbers for the survey. That they have the numbers they do might suggest that many responders do not have very large collections. One club visitor playing DBMM commented that he had 30,000 28mm ancients figures; I suspect not everyone does.
I would say the question is 28mm biased.
2500 28mm would be several large armies, in 10mm it's a couple of corps, so it's a scale thing again...
Quote from: mad lemmey on 05 August 2020, 07:13:13 AM
I would say the question is 28mm biased.
2500 28mm would be several large armies, in 10mm it's a couple of corps, so it's a scale thing again...
I started doing the sums on my old H&R Napoleonics.
120 men per battalion, 12 battalions per division (24 per Corps) and you're there.
I asked about the maximum number of figures on the DMW facebook page where Jasper also posted this.
Also, something I did not see mentioned before is that one of the raffle prizes is a 10mm starter army from our gracious hosts. Fingers crossed...
For smaller scales like 2 or 3mm and even to an extent with 6mm you might need to think in terms of blocks rather than figures.
Certainly if someone has a decent sized collection in 6mm or 10mm then 3,000 figures might not be all that big a number compared to in you were looking at 28mm. Though given what wargamers are like with figures even in 28mm it wouldn't be that hard to build up 3,000 figures over the years.