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Wider Wargaming => Painting & Modelling => Topic started by: hammurabi70 on 28 May 2020, 02:33:54 PM



Title: Who wears gloves?
Post by: hammurabi70 on 28 May 2020, 02:33:54 PM
I was painting the crews of the machine guns and mortars this morning when I had a light-bulb-moment. :-$ (where’s the light bulb emoji when you need it).

Would such people be wearing gloves? I have never served in the infantry so have no idea when gloves would be used. This raises two issues:
(1) what is actually correct?
(2) what is the impression the modeller wants to convey?

I want the viewer to ‘see’ the hand as skin because of the impression it gives but in handling such moving metal in a battle environment what would individuals actually choose to have?


Title: Re: Who wears gloves?
Post by: jimduncanuk on 28 May 2020, 03:32:17 PM
Depends on the period and theatre but Officers often wore gloves.


Title: Re: Who wears gloves?
Post by: ianrs54 on 28 May 2020, 03:43:17 PM
Discouraged, as could get caught in the mechanism, although Finnish AK clone has no trigger guard to allow operation in several pairs.


Title: Re: Who wears gloves?
Post by: mad lemmey on 28 May 2020, 05:47:50 PM
Falklands war most officers and men wore black leather NI gloves.

Brunswickers wore green leather gloves in the Napoleonic and later wars.


Title: Re: Who wears gloves?
Post by: Sunray on 29 May 2020, 10:52:31 AM
Falklands war most officers and men wore black leather NI gloves.

Brunswickers wore green leather gloves in the Napoleonic and later wars.

As correctly cited above. The NI glove was a bit of a status symbol as it came with the GSM "N Ireland" clasp and signified that the wearer had in a theatre of ops where hot lead frequently flew.  They were thin leather and snug fitting with a reinforcement over the knuckles.   The glove NI was issued circa 1979.

There was a green woollen glove that predated them.  They were useless  once wet unless one acquired the Norgie mit to fit over them.  The British Army was -in general - more tolerant of informal  kit than other armies, especially on deployment.   Norgie shirts,  Doctor Martin boots, Norgie and Canadian gloves/mits and Bergus ROCs were the norm by the early 1980s.


Title: Re: Who wears gloves?
Post by: Orcs on 29 May 2020, 10:55:05 AM
I am resisting the urge to answer the question "Who wears gloves"  with a comment along the lines of "A doctor doing a prostate examination." - whoops did I type that out loud?


Title: Re: Who wears gloves?
Post by: FierceKitty on 29 May 2020, 11:09:21 AM
We all know you'd no more say something like that than I'd say "**** is a ***** ***** who likes to ****** his ***** with ****** and ***** ** ** *** ********".

I wonder if that'll get censored?


Title: Re: Who wears gloves?
Post by: Techno on 29 May 2020, 11:23:38 AM
I can if you want.

Or I could fill in the blanks.....(Decisions, decisions. :-\)

Cheers - Phil


Title: Re: Who wears gloves?
Post by: ianrs54 on 29 May 2020, 01:06:44 PM
You don't know the correct language Phil !


Title: Re: Who wears gloves?
Post by: Techno on 29 May 2020, 01:11:51 PM
True.....I never use bad language !! :^o :^o :^o

(where’s the light bulb emoji when you need it).

Will this one do ?*-:)

Cheers - Phil ;)


Title: Re: Who wears gloves?
Post by: mmcv on 29 May 2020, 01:46:28 PM
True.....I never use bad language !! :^o :^o :^o

Will this one do ?*-:)

Cheers - Phil ;)

It seems Phil has access to a secret moderator set of emojis :-\ You've been holding out on us! I also just worked out how to make :-\ work too. Never used to work in preview but adding an extra slash on the end makes it show (in case anyone else has been similarly miffed).


Title: Re: Who wears gloves?
Post by: Techno on 29 May 2020, 03:12:02 PM
I don't think they're secret.....I can't remember how I found them.....

Messing around, probably !

I think you'll need to look at this post, as if you're replying to it, to see the different combinations of colons, plus signs, question marks etc.

These are the ones I liked.....

:-??    (I don't know)
%-(    (Not listening)
:@)     (Pig)
*-:)     (Idea)
8-X     (Skull)
:-"       (Whistling)
[-X     (Shame on you)
:-@     (Chatterbox)
^:)^  (Not worthy)
b-(     (Feeling beat up)
>:/    (Bring it on)
:-j       (Oh, go on)

I think there are some others, as well.
Enjoy.

Cheers - Phil :)


Title: Re: Who wears gloves?
Post by: ianrs54 on 29 May 2020, 03:32:57 PM
Hit the more underlined at the end of the pictographs will get you there ! :-bd


Title: Re: Who wears gloves?
Post by: DHautpol on 29 May 2020, 03:54:34 PM
Does rather conjure up the image of them having their gloves on strings to prevent them getting lost in the heat of battle.


Title: Re: Who wears gloves?
Post by: Orcs on 29 May 2020, 04:09:20 PM
Does rather conjure up the image of them having their gloves on strings to prevent them getting lost in the heat of battle.

Ha,Ha, I have a photo some where  of me in a duffel coat with woollen mittens on string to stop me loosing them - I must have been about 3


Title: Re: Who wears gloves?
Post by: hammurabi70 on 29 May 2020, 07:29:09 PM
Discouraged, as could get caught in the mechanism, although Finnish AK clone has no trigger guard to allow operation in several pairs.

Very interesting; evidently in snow/cold it would be very necessary.  I would prefer having a glove caused jam rather than one involving my fingers, although I guess the reckoning would be an increased risk of gun failure overall. Of course Health & Safety on the battlefield is a bit of an oxymoron but given the general prevalence of handling gloves I am mildly surprised more use is not made of them.  Is there a fear that artillery rounds might get dropped or slip through the fingers? Do tankers not use them?

Will this one do ?*-:)

That would do nicely.


Title: Re: Who wears gloves?
Post by: mad lemmey on 29 May 2020, 08:04:43 PM
I don't think they're secret.....I can't remember how I found them.....

Messing around, probably !

I think you'll need to look at this post, as if you're replying to it, to see the different combinations of colons, plus signs, question marks etc.

These are the ones I liked.....

:-??    (I don't know)
%-(    (Not listening)
:@)     (Pig)
*-:)     (Idea)
8-X     (Skull)
:-"       (Whistling)
[-X     (Shame on you)
:-@     (Chatterbox)
^:)^  (Not worthy)
b-(     (Feeling beat up)
>:/    (Bring it on)
:-j       (Oh, go on)

I think there are some others, as well.
Enjoy.

Cheers - Phil :)


Copied and pasted for later...


Title: Re: Who wears gloves?
Post by: Techno on 29 May 2020, 08:13:16 PM
Hit the more underlined at the end of the pictographs will get you there ! :-bd

Not those particular ones, Ian.......and there are about a dozen others "hidden'.

Cheers - Phil. :)


Title: Re: Who wears gloves?
Post by: mmcv on 30 May 2020, 10:08:58 PM
I don't think they're secret.....I can't remember how I found them.....

Messing around, probably !

I think you'll need to look at this post, as if you're replying to it, to see the different combinations of colons, plus signs, question marks etc.

These are the ones I liked.....

:-??    (I don't know)
%-(    (Not listening)
:@)     (Pig)
*-:)     (Idea)
8-X     (Skull)
:-"       (Whistling)
[-X     (Shame on you)
:-@     (Chatterbox)
^:)^  (Not worthy)
b-(     (Feeling beat up)
>:/    (Bring it on)
:-j       (Oh, go on)

I think there are some others, as well.
Enjoy.

Cheers - Phil :)


Can think of a few users for some of these... :d

Thanks for sharing!


Title: Re: Who wears gloves?
Post by: OldenBUA on 31 May 2020, 07:31:12 AM
All those emoji's are wearing gloves. So there, question answered.


Title: Re: Who wears gloves?
Post by: Dave Fielder on 31 May 2020, 10:02:05 PM
Mortars tend to go into action without gloves, unless in Arctic conditions. Beyond that, gloves and boots are the most debated item of modern kit and swapping items with Allied forces is a frequent thing .. everyone else has been stuff.


Title: Re: Who wears gloves?
Post by: John Cook on 04 June 2020, 02:54:43 PM
Presumably we are talking about late 20th/early 21st century soldiers.  The British army issued woollen glove, actually man-made of the kind that melted when they burned.  I never saw anybody wearing them that I remember, except on guard duty in barracks.  In Northern Ireland a black leather glove was issued.  I got my first pair in about 1974, just at the end of my first tour as I was leaving for Germany.  They were soft black leather, quite snug fitting, with padded knuckles, the padding being filled with lead powder which gave them some weight.  I got a second pair 'Mk 2' in 1980.  They were the similar but the padding was sponge.  Neither were very hard wearing and were only supposed to last a single tour.  They also soaked up water and didn't keep hands very warm.  They morphed into a combat glove sometime in the 1980s which was general issue.  They were also black leather but with no padding.  I used mine for gardening after I retired from the army in 1993.  If your unit was part of the Allied Mobile Force (Land) which deployed to the NATO flanks, you'd get issued mittens when deploying to Norway, and other specialised arctic kit.