In 2018 there was talk of a WWII era armoured train getting added to the range. At the time Leon thought it was "on the back burner". As I have found reference to an interesting engagement during operation Barbarossa, I am wondering if this item has built up a head of steam, or has it regretfully slipped down the back of the cooker?
Quote from: chrishanley on 17 May 2020, 02:15:02 PM
In 2018 there was talk of a WWII era armoured train getting added to the range. At the time Leon thought it was "on the back burner". As I have found reference to an interesting engagement during operation Barbarossa, I am wondering if this item has built up a head of steam, or has it regretfully slipped down the back of the cooker?
I keep pluging for this as well.
It's still something that we'd like to do but it's not a priority at the moment I'm afraid. It's one of those 'high costs vs low sales' items that we can only squeeze in when there's a suitable gap. Mart's got the plans for it (thanks Orcs!) so he might be able to get on to it once he's finished up the current list of MBT's and trucks.
Thankyou Leon for the swift response as ever. I do understand that an armoured train would not be the fastest moving item in the Pendraken cataloge and much more financially sensible projects have priority. Nevertheless, we will wait with baited breath and eager anticipation...
I would be willing to pay a premium for an item that may be slow selling.
See if you can scratch it. Try railway shops, there must be a gauge that fits with 10mm.
N gauge is the model railway scale.
I wonder if some kind of conversion kit could be offered, rather than a whole train?
Quote from: ianrs54 on 18 May 2020, 07:47:02 AM
See if you can scratch it. Try railway shops, there must be a gauge that fits with 10mm.
N gauge fits in with 10mm. it would cost more to use "real"railway stuff than commission the master. Scratch building is not me forte. you can get them on Shapeways, but again the cost is prohibitive.
Quote from: fred. on 18 May 2020, 08:13:05 AM
N gauge is the model railway scale.
I wonder if some kind of conversion kit could be offered, rather than a whole train?
To do a conversion you would have to specify the base model. A loco on ebay is £50 and standard wagons are £10-20 each. You could try and get one of the Dapole trains to armour, but the problem is the wagons.
Shapeways the train is around £25. The wagons are then around £15-20. I priced it up a while ago and a Loco, Flak car, Gun Car , flat wagon and assault car came in at around £100.
Currently I just use a 6mm irregular miniatures one.
If one was produced it could be fairly generic. The poles had one that was captured by the Germans , used against the Russians, who then captured it and used it against the Germans.
Didn't know they were so expensive. I picked up a couple of Dalpol engines a few years back, and certainly didn't pay that much.
Those prices give Leon some price points to aim for at least!
Children's toy Thomas the Tank Engine sets are a good bet for 15mm - it requires you to be brutal and carve off the faces on the front of the boiler but generally they fit very well and have a nice range of trucks and flat-bed cars. But they are probably only ok for British Colonial games or for improvised train - but you'll need to do the conversion work.
There is of course the BKCIV armoured train PDF supplement for those interesting in giving it a go.
Cheers
Mark
Del Prado N Gauge locomotives go for under a tenner plus postage on EBay. They don't run, of course, but presumably that's not a problem?
For the wagons you just need the bogies, and most fanatical railway modelers will have some from scraped wagons. I made my 20mm train from card, with scrounged bogies and weapons. Engines - delprado. Except the diesel which is a Dapol kit.
Quote from: ianrs54 on 18 May 2020, 10:47:13 AM
For the wagons you just need the bogies, and most fanatical railway modelers will have some from scraped wagons. I made my 20mm train from card, with scrounged bogies and weapons. Engines - delprado. Except the diesel which is a Dapol kit.
The problem is doing it 10mm is far more fiddly and my scratch building skills are not up to it.
I know they come from the wrong war and are on the small side, but I have refreshed Carlos Briz's magic with Pendraken BW27, 28 and 32. See photo thread.
Replacement WW2 tank, AAA and Armoured Car turrets and you have a "small but perfectly formed armoured train"? :)
Leon has wanted to "refresh" this range. Perhaps the armoured engine could be stretched and modernised to a generic WW2 look?
Hello
There are some free 3d files available at Thinginverse for a Polish Armoured Train
(https://cdn.thingiverse.com/renders/99/f1/56/82/90/d3fea446ff3034b0e58b4d4137610cfd_preview_featured.jpg)
https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:2479748 (https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:2479748)
It's in 1/87 so some of the detail would need to be coarsened for 1/150 but it looks printable.
Cheers
GrumpyOldMan
Yes that looks doable. will have to look into getting it printed.
Thanks Grumpy
If there's any 3D files on Thingiverse that come with commercial licenses, we'd be interested in that approach. We can then get them printed up by someone and look at putting them into a resin mould I'd think.
Would be interested if this were to go ahead, could we sort of do a mini non kick starter for this one?
The Thinguniverse link also shows a a generic flat car, that would be really useful as well
Leon, what sort of finance and interest would you be needing to make this happen as it were speculatively of course, at some stage in the future?
Would like to do the Battle of Mokra 1939, and it's a really important feature, Poles were still keen on the armoured train concept in 39, probably mostly through necessity of using what they had....but hey they look cool on the table right!
Quote from: Dannyboy on 24 May 2020, 05:32:17 PM
Leon, what sort of finance and interest would you be needing to make this happen as it were speculatively of course, at some stage in the future?
I wouldn't know where to start with costings at the moment, I've not looked into it enough. We'd have an initial small burst of sales but once those are done I don't think I could see it selling double figures per year going forward. We've got some options so we'll have a chat and see what we can do. It wouldn't be anything quick though, as we've got so much going on already.
Quote from: Leon on 24 May 2020, 12:10:15 AM
If there's any 3D files on Thingiverse that come with commercial licenses, we'd be interested in that approach. We can then get them printed up by someone and look at putting them into a resin mould I'd think.
Aye there's the rub, getting the commercial licence, most sites come with Royalty Free Licence that specifically knock out moulding and reproduction. Both Cgtrader and Turbosquid have these licences. Example https://www.cgtrader.com/pages/terms-and-conditions#general-terms-of-licensing (https://www.cgtrader.com/pages/terms-and-conditions#general-terms-of-licensing) https://blog.turbosquid.com/royalty-free-license/ (https://blog.turbosquid.com/royalty-free-license/)
Maybe you can contact the 3d artists to see what you can arrange.
If people are keen there's a train available on Shapeways that Carlos Briz used:-
https://www.shapeways.com/product/6DDJNAJWJ/1-144th-scale-armoured-steam-locomotive?optionId=65081587&li=marketplace (https://www.shapeways.com/product/6DDJNAJWJ/1-144th-scale-armoured-steam-locomotive?optionId=65081587&li=marketplace)
(https://images2.sw-cdn.net/product/picture/710x528_28549131_12664923_1565418253.jpg),
it's around 11 to 15 quid per locomotive/carriage.
Cheers
GrumpyOldMan
Quote from: GrumpyOldMan on 25 May 2020, 12:17:16 AM
Aye there's the rub, getting the commercial licence, most sites come with Royalty Free Licence that specifically knock out moulding and reproduction. Both Cgtrader and Turbosquid have these licences. Example https://www.cgtrader.com/pages/terms-and-conditions#general-terms-of-licensing (https://www.cgtrader.com/pages/terms-and-conditions#general-terms-of-licensing) https://blog.turbosquid.com/royalty-free-license/ (https://blog.turbosquid.com/royalty-free-license/)
Maybe you can contact the 3d artists to see what you can arrange.
As you say, that's the tricky bit. We've actually teamed up with a chap in Canada recently, to be our '3D guy', so he's going to start supplying us with some designs of his own as well as sourcing other existing designs for us. With all of the Covid stuff kicking off we've not been able to make much progress sadly but it is something we'll be getting back to very soon.
Hello
yes, the 3d path is one worth travelling, It takes a fair amount of work to set up initially but once you're going it's very easy to set up variations, changes in weapons etc. At the moment I'm playing around with various 3d programs and have made a start on a test piece piece but it definitely needs more work (apart from a head :) ), attached below
Cheers
GrumpyOldMan
Thanks for the link, if Pendraken were to follow the route and create their own model I'd obviously support it wholeheartedly, however can understand your reservations Leon, in which case the Shapeways 1/144 model is a great plan B, i'd looked on Shapeways but somehow missed this so a great find, thank you, will be ideal.
Quote from: Dannyboy on 25 May 2020, 02:34:00 PM
Thanks for the link, if Pendraken were to follow the route and create their own model I'd obviously support it wholeheartedly, however can understand your reservations Leon, in which case the Shapeways 1/144 model is a great plan B, i'd looked on Shapeways but somehow missed this so a great find, thank you, will be ideal.
Welcome to the talents of Victor aka Grumpy Old Man. If we were all POWs in a camp, Victor would be the Scrounger King.
Tell him what you are looking for and he will source it. :)
I'm looking up James Garner's agent for casting the movie now....... (Everyone remembers Steve McQueen's "Hiltz the cooler King", in the Great Escape but for me it was always James Garner's movie as the fixer)
C'mon chaps!
Frank Sinatra in von Ryan's Express - surely!
Quote from: fsn on 25 May 2020, 07:23:12 PM
C'mon chaps!
Frank Sinatra in von Ryan's Express - surely!
Ugh! No! Seriously?
Don't call me Shirley!
Quote from: Ithoriel on 25 May 2020, 07:24:44 PM
Ugh! No! Seriously?
'Course not!
But it had prisoners of war and a train.
For Orcs ... how about
Hannibal Brooks?
(https://m.media-amazon.com/images/M/MV5BYjcyYzRmMmMtOGU4ZS00N2ZjLTk5MDUtOWY5MmY3ZjE2NjQyXkEyXkFqcGdeQXVyMjUyNDk2ODc@._V1_SX1777_CR0,0,1777,999_AL_.jpg)
It worries me how many really awful WWII films I know.
Dear old Ollie Reed, I'd forgotten about that one, Second favourite, Oddball from Kelly's Hero's, Vietnam does WW2 via Tito's Yugoslavia!! ;D ;D