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Title: Head swapping
Post by: chrishanley on 29 April 2020, 11:55:09 AM
In an attempt at making Indian figures for my 14th army I must swap the heads on a few figures, notably to create turban headed bren gunners. Has anyone got any advice before I get straight in and make a another pigs ear?  :'(


Title: Re: Head swapping
Post by: jimduncanuk on 29 April 2020, 11:59:16 AM
I've done it loads of times.

I use a razorsaw and cut at the neckline then superglue the new head.


Title: Re: Head swapping
Post by: paulr on 29 April 2020, 08:24:37 PM
A little baking soda makes the super glue set quicker and seems to make a stronger bond

Keep your fingers well away from the glue and have some debonder handy ;)


Title: Re: Head swapping
Post by: Orcs on 29 April 2020, 10:01:33 PM
A little baking soda makes the super glue set quicker and seems to make a stronger bond

Keep your fingers well away from the glue and have some debonder handy ;)

Be careful not to get super glue and baking soda together on your fingers - it has quite a hot thermic effect. - I know  :(


Title: Re: Head swapping
Post by: Techno on 30 April 2020, 07:14:51 AM
Be careful not to get super glue and baking soda together on your fingers - it has quite a hot thermic effect. - I know  :(

Not done that one, but I got a 'super hot' effect when I used a bit of kitchen towel to 'soak up' a blob of super thin Zap glue, from the back of my hand.....That smarted !!....And stuck the towel to the back of my hand !

Cheers - Phil


Title: Re: Head swapping
Post by: FierceKitty on 30 April 2020, 07:33:18 AM
Super glue...what comic genius invented that term?


Title: Re: Head swapping
Post by: O Dinas Powys on 30 April 2020, 09:02:34 AM
Super glue...what comic genius invented that term?

As I understand it, at the moment of its discovery the researcher involved was heard to exclaim, “Oh super! Glue…”

Hence the name, which somehow stuck!


Title: Re: Head swapping
Post by: Techno on 30 April 2020, 09:52:15 AM
You're just making that up, Meirion.  ;D ;D ;D

Cheers - Phil


Title: Re: Head swapping
Post by: O Dinas Powys on 30 April 2020, 10:00:27 AM
You're just making that up, Meirion.  ;D ;D ;D

Cheers - Phil

Would I? O:-)


Title: Re: Head swapping
Post by: Techno on 30 April 2020, 10:02:37 AM
Would I? O:-)

I reckon that you might.  ;)

Cheers - Phil


Title: Re: Head swapping
Post by: jimduncanuk on 30 April 2020, 11:18:18 AM
The razor saw is far more dangerous than the superglue.

http://jim-duncan.blogspot.com/2020/04/head-swaps-10mm.html

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Title: Re: Head swapping
Post by: ianrs54 on 30 April 2020, 11:55:07 AM
I trust you are aware that super glue was designed for sticking up bullet wounds. The fumes, particularly with the cheap pound land stuff can cause damage to your eyes.

IanS


Title: Re: Head swapping
Post by: O Dinas Powys on 30 April 2020, 12:00:20 PM
I trust you are aware that super glue was designed for sticking up bullet wounds. The fumes, particularly with the cheap pound land stuff can cause damage to your eyes.

IanS

Yup - that’s why the second phrase uttered upon its discovery, by an assistant IIRC, was, “Quick, pull you finger out!”

Anyway, I’m pretty sure that’s the derivation for that one  :-\


Title: Re: Head swapping
Post by: O Dinas Powys on 30 April 2020, 12:01:14 PM
I reckon that you might.  ;)

Cheers - Phil

 ^#(^ :^o


Title: Re: Head swapping
Post by: O Dinas Powys on 30 April 2020, 12:03:24 PM
The razor saw is far more dangerous than the superglue.

http://jim-duncan.blogspot.com/2020/04/head-swaps-10mm.html

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Is that how you got the vivid, “Techno”, red for the hat?  ;)


Title: Re: Head swapping
Post by: Ithoriel on 30 April 2020, 02:37:05 PM
I trust you are aware that super glue was designed for sticking up bullet wounds. The fumes, particularly with the cheap pound land stuff can cause damage to your eyes.

IanS

Off-the-shelf consumer superglues are not suitable for medical use, because they are not formulated to reduce toxicity and prevent foreign body reactions, as would be the case with medical cyanoacrylates.

Also, they glue your fingers to the table, if you're not careful! :)


Title: Re: Head swapping
Post by: John Cook on 30 April 2020, 03:44:20 PM
In an attempt at making Indian figures for my 14th army I must swap the heads on a few figures, notably to create turban headed bren gunners. Has anyone got any advice before I get straight in and make a another pigs ear?  :'(

I find it easier to do a hat swop sometimes.  With a heavy bladed scalpel, No 24 blade or similar, you can pare off a headdress without losing too much metal.  The bond is also much stronger than that with a head because the surface area is comparatively bigger.  I've had superglued heads come off in the past, but never a superglued hat.  

Superglue depends on moisture to cure and there is usually enough in the surfaces of most joints to do this.  So it cures better, and faster, on days of high humidity than on others, and that is why it bonds skin so well!.  But, very small joints often don't have enough residual dampness.  To give it a hand I find that touching the joint with the tip of my tongue helps (MAKE SURE YOU DO THIS BEFORE YOU APPLY THE SUPERGLUE!), even just breathing on the joint helps too.  Alternatively a squeezable spray bottle of water will do the job.  

You might also consider using a spray superglue accelerator, specifically intended for the purpose.  For all super-glue applications I use a spray accelerator these days. The bond is instantaneous and any residue accelerant evaporates in seconds.  You can use also baking powder but I find it too messy for use with small jobs and too dangerous with large ones - it gets hot, enough to burn.  If you need a filler try mixing superglue with baby talc.  

 


Title: Re: Head swapping
Post by: Orcs on 30 April 2020, 09:00:19 PM
Be careful not to get super glue and baking soda together on your fingers - it has quite a hot thermic effect. - I know  :(

I suppose I ought to give you all a laugh about how I know.

I had cut myself with the  scalpel. My normal trick with this to stop it bleeding and allow me to carry on without coating stuff in blood  is to put a blob of superglue over the cut. However this time I had done a "Real Techno", and it would not go off fast enough to stop the bleeding.  Having read on this forum how Baking Soda cures superglue instantly I have a small pot of it on my painting table.

Being an engineer I worked out that if I put a blob of superglue on the cut followed by a light dusting of baking powder I could stop the bleeding........  not being a chemist I did not work out  the chemical reaction would be to produce a very hot thermic effect, causing me to run to bathroom shouting "F***,F***,F***! to put my finger under the cold tap.

The worst  bit though was explaining to a concerned Mrs Orcs who had come upstairs to see what my shouting was about.  Her concern very quickly to mirth at my expense.


Title: Re: Head swapping
Post by: Techno on 01 May 2020, 07:37:43 AM
Well....It made me laugh !!  ;D ;D ;D

Do you want some of those plasters back, Mark ?.....I've still got a few.

Cheers - Phil


Title: Re: Head swapping
Post by: Terry37 on 04 May 2020, 04:32:07 AM
One I have removed the original head I make sure he neck is flat for receiving the new head. Then I drill a hole in the neckand make a peg on the bottom of the new head to fit in the hole. This makes for a stronger bond.

Terry