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Title: Napoleonic French Guard cavalry
Post by: Not Drowning, Waving on 28 August 2019, 10:30:47 PM
Surely these will always sell. Conversions from current sculpts are possible with varying degrees of success, but the poses then remain the same as their line brothers. My guess is that a good number of people would want that point of difference for these iconic units. Certainly there is one vote for them here!

In my view the units should comprise:
Grenadiers a Cheval ("the Gods")
Chasseurs a Cheval ("the Immortals"), and a company of Mamelukes ("the Colourful?")
Empress Dragoons
Polish and Dutch Lancers
and the Eclair units of 1813/14

If I could dream for a moment, the Chasseurs would be without Pelisse (often absent 1805-9, withdrawn 1809), and would include a carbine holding pose for the Emperor's guard.

There, all done and over to you Leon. What's that? They are in the pipeline already? Great (not fake) news!

Hopefully there is interest - I'm not quite sure how this request thing works, but no doubt will find out.

Cheers LPWC


Title: Re: Napoleonic French Guard cavalry
Post by: John Cook on 29 August 2019, 12:45:05 AM
I empathise.  Incomplete ranges are too frustrating for words.


Title: Re: Napoleonic French Guard cavalry
Post by: Leon on 29 August 2019, 01:14:07 AM
These are the two cavalry types which have already been sculpted, but never production moulded:

Guard Chasseurs a Cheval:
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7588/16889192255_518cf196d6_c.jpg)


Guard Grenadiers a Cheval:
(http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5444/8963208369_dc38844503.jpg)


I'll do my best to get them sorted out asap as we've had them for quite a while now.


Title: Re: Napoleonic French Guard cavalry
Post by: Not Drowning, Waving on 29 August 2019, 02:59:36 AM
Wow that is just fantastic!

My stupid joke about Leon agreeing to sculpt Guard cavalry appears to have an unexpected basis... now very tempting to make the same stupid joke for other units.

Many thanks Leon

Cheers LPWC



Title: Re: Napoleonic French Guard cavalry
Post by: John Cook on 29 August 2019, 04:04:44 AM
Magic words!


Title: Re: Napoleonic French Guard cavalry
Post by: Not Drowning, Waving on 29 August 2019, 04:54:59 AM
Yes. 

Now I just need to find the magic words to make the Pelisses disappear from the Chasseurs a Cheval...

Poses are great - especially of the Grenadiers a Cheval.  They look perfect.



Title: Re: Napoleonic French Guard cavalry
Post by: mad lemmey on 29 August 2019, 08:46:36 AM
Nice one Leon  ;D


Title: Re: Napoleonic French Guard cavalry
Post by: Not Drowning, Waving on 29 August 2019, 08:49:10 AM
Tricked again!

Nice one indeed Leon...


Title: Re: Napoleonic French Guard cavalry
Post by: FierceKitty on 29 August 2019, 12:00:35 PM
Those chasseurs might be morphed a bit to give more animation to SYW Hungarian hussars too.


Title: Re: Napoleonic French Guard cavalry
Post by: Not Drowning, Waving on 29 August 2019, 03:57:55 PM
They really need to see the light of day (Chasseurs without Pelisse though)...

All this leads to one question Leon: what else is there tucked away in that vast vault of unreleased sculpts you appear to have???


Title: Re: Napoleonic French Guard cavalry
Post by: Ben Waterhouse on 29 August 2019, 06:30:08 PM
Well thatís two sales.


Title: Re: Napoleonic French Guard cavalry
Post by: Leon on 29 August 2019, 06:44:21 PM
All this leads to one question Leon: what else is there tucked away in that vast vault of unreleased sculpts you appear to have???

Some Gargoyles...   :-

As well as some Guard infantry and artillery crews.

Although I don't know how these Guard Horse crews differ to the ones we've already got on the website, there's been some debate as to what's what over the years.  Originally the website ones were Horse crew, but then we got conflicting info that they were Guard Horse, which makes these sculpts below a bit redundant...

Guard Horse artillery crews:
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7585/16888194731_6e3deedceb.jpg)

Old Guard foot artillery crews:
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7601/16266802984_d61a3f9c49.jpg)

Old Guard Grenadiers:
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7635/16266801064_07a9e7bb8c.jpg)


Title: Re: Napoleonic French Guard cavalry
Post by: Techno on 29 August 2019, 07:00:29 PM
Some Gargoyles...  

I can't even remember what those look like. X_X

Cheers - Phil


Title: Re: Napoleonic French Guard cavalry
Post by: Not Drowning, Waving on 29 August 2019, 08:57:16 PM
Leon, one person's redundancy is another's variety, so if it were up to me I would put them out. The sculpts look great, especially of the horse artillery, and conversion potential for early periods is there.

But Leon you have toyed with us long enough. Where are the Mamelukes?

Well thatís two sales.

Don't rush me Ben!



Title: Re: Napoleonic French Guard cavalry
Post by: Leon on 29 August 2019, 11:39:07 PM
Where are the Mamelukes?

Not something we've got planned at this stage I'm afraid, that'd be one for the request lists.


Title: Re: Napoleonic French Guard cavalry
Post by: John Cook on 30 August 2019, 12:17:48 AM
Leon, The ones described as Guard Horse Artillery as part of your 1809 range look alright to me.  Guard HA should have a hussar-style uniform and a fur colpack cap.  It is hard to see what the ones are in the first pic attached to your post are supposed to be - more Guard HA by the look of things.  The Guard Foot Artillery wore a normal infantry-style uniform with a bearskin cap.  That's what seems to be in the second pic.  Line foot artillery wore a infantry-style uniform with a shako, line horse artillery wore a chasseur a cheval-style uniform with shako and both are in your 1809 range.  Hope this helps sort it out.


Title: Re: Napoleonic French Guard cavalry
Post by: Not Drowning, Waving on 30 August 2019, 01:01:19 AM
So no Mamelukes = proxy time.  Surely in the 3,500 sculpts there will have to be something...


Title: Re: Napoleonic French Guard cavalry
Post by: Zippee on 30 August 2019, 09:15:35 AM
That's a pretty skeletal IG range in waiting.

I propose that once the requested Peninsular non-KS gets done, the next one is a IG non-KS, we can then pitch in with uniform specifics and make sure it's a sensible and reasonably comprehensive range.


Title: Re: Napoleonic French Guard cavalry
Post by: Not Drowning, Waving on 30 August 2019, 09:39:59 AM
Comprehensive enough to include the Eclaireurs (which auto-correct altered to Eclairs) I hope, which I am particularly after.

But yes something more substantial would be good. Don't you agree it is a good start? I hadn't expected that sculpts for either regiment existed, and the poses for the Grenadines a Cheval look good to me, although I can't make out all the detail.


Title: Re: Napoleonic French Guard cavalry
Post by: FierceKitty on 30 August 2019, 09:43:06 AM
En avant, enfants du premier patisserie!  (Apologies to anyone here who can actually write proper French)


Title: Re: Napoleonic French Guard cavalry
Post by: Not Drowning, Waving on 30 August 2019, 09:47:10 AM
Superb!

Was that a white fringed patisserie or black?


Title: Re: Napoleonic French Guard cavalry
Post by: mollinary on 30 August 2019, 01:00:00 PM
En avant, enfants du premier patisserie!  (Apologies to anyone here who can actually write proper French)

Allons enfants de la patisserie, le jour de gloire et arrive!   Perhaps?


Title: Re: Napoleonic French Guard cavalry
Post by: Zippee on 30 August 2019, 01:32:01 PM
Comprehensive enough to include the Eclaireurs (which auto-correct altered to Eclairs) I hope, which I am particularly after.

But yes something more substantial would be good. Don't you agree it is a good start? I hadn't expected that sculpts for either regiment existed, and the poses for the Grenadines a Cheval look good to me, although I can't make out all the detail.

Well no actually, I thought it was barely a start  :o

chocolate buns aside I was rather hoping for Fusilier Grenadiers, Fusilier Chasseurs, Tirailleurs and Voltigeurs but turns out there's not even any Chasseurs  :D

not to worry plenty of Confederation troops to paint before it'll matter!


Title: Re: Napoleonic French Guard cavalry
Post by: Leon on 30 August 2019, 02:05:20 PM
chocolate buns aside I was rather hoping for Fusilier Grenadiers, Fusilier Chasseurs, Tirailleurs and Voltigeurs but turns out there's not even any Chasseurs  :D

We've got a load of those as well, but I've not taken any photos of them.  The sculptor at the time sent us a matrix diagram with all of the different troop types for Young/Middle/Old Guard.  Some of them required new sculpts (which he's done) and some were able to be proxied using existing figures from the ranges. 

As we needed to cast off original master moulds to get those previous sculpts, and then check everything over to make sure it was correct, it became a bit more of a laborious task so we put it on one side for a bit...  That 'for a bit' has gone on for quite a while now...!


Title: Re: Napoleonic French Guard cavalry
Post by: mad lemmey on 30 August 2019, 02:54:01 PM
Get the feeling you're sitting on a small glod mine Leon? ;D


Title: Re: Napoleonic French Guard cavalry
Post by: FierceKitty on 30 August 2019, 03:21:16 PM
 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Allons enfants de la patisserie, le jour de gloire et arrive!   Perhaps?
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D


Title: Re: Napoleonic French Guard cavalry
Post by: Not Drowning, Waving on 30 August 2019, 10:11:16 PM
Zippee I dared only to think of Guard Cavalry, but could not agree more. 

Get the feeling you're sitting on a small glod mine Leon? ;D

Well this is a revelation.  But how to get the contents of the mine into day light?

I have convinced myself that Mamelukes are down in the mine and am now digging to get them out...


Title: Re: Napoleonic French Guard cavalry
Post by: FierceKitty on 31 August 2019, 01:46:34 AM
Allons enfants de la patisserie, le jour de gloire et arrive!   Perhaps?

You know, your version scans better than the original. Send it to the Academie Francaise; they may give you the Legion d'Honneur (or the Guillotine, mind you).


Title: Re: Napoleonic French Guard cavalry
Post by: John Cook on 01 September 2019, 11:24:17 AM
We've got a load of those as well, but I've not taken any photos of them.  The sculptor at the time sent us a matrix diagram with all of the different troop types for Young/Middle/Old Guard.  Some of them required new sculpts (which he's done) and some were able to be proxied using existing figures from the ranges. 

As we needed to cast off original master moulds to get those previous sculpts, and then check everything over to make sure it was correct, it became a bit more of a laborious task so we put it on one side for a bit...  That 'for a bit' has gone on for quite a while now...!

How are the Middle and Young Guard infantry in 1809 different in uniform style from NPF8?  That's what I'd use for all of them. 


Title: Re: Napoleonic French Guard cavalry
Post by: steve_holmes_11 on 01 September 2019, 12:41:01 PM
I had a look for Mameluke proxies.

Renaissance Dellis with lance and sword would require a bit of imaginative conversion, but may fit the bill.

1877 Russo Turkish figs don't have pictures, so I can't speculate.
Can any owners post us a snap?


Title: Re: Napoleonic French Guard cavalry
Post by: Leon on 01 September 2019, 04:29:53 PM
How are the Middle and Young Guard infantry in 1809 different in uniform style from NPF8?  That's what I'd use for all of them. 

That's basically what the matrix diagram showed, so we need to dig that out and see what existing figures we're re-using, which types the new sculpts cover, etc.


Title: Re: Napoleonic French Guard cavalry
Post by: Not Drowning, Waving on 09 September 2019, 10:22:02 PM
Any progress on the digging out of Middle & Young guard sculpts?


Title: Re: Napoleonic French Guard cavalry
Post by: Leon on 09 September 2019, 10:33:30 PM
Any progress on the digging out of Middle & Young guard sculpts?

Not that quickly, we've been away at a show all weekend!  It'll probably be October before I get chance to look at this.


Title: Re: Napoleonic French Guard cavalry
Post by: Not Drowning, Waving on 16 September 2019, 05:57:29 AM
Don't become a workaholic...


Title: Re: Napoleonic French Guard cavalry
Post by: Leon on 17 September 2019, 12:30:15 AM
Don't become a workaholic...

Too late for the warning, I was replying to customer emails on my wedding day!


Title: Re: Napoleonic French Guard cavalry
Post by: paulr on 17 September 2019, 12:43:58 AM
That does not surprise me ;D


Title: Re: Napoleonic French Guard cavalry
Post by: Not Drowning, Waving on 17 September 2019, 08:52:59 PM
Come here to Oz with the long suffering Mrs Leon and I can take you to a place where phones don't work and the landscape is sensational. You will need more than a day though.


Title: Re: Napoleonic French Guard cavalry
Post by: Leon on 17 September 2019, 11:26:48 PM
Come here to Oz with the long suffering Mrs Leon and I can take you to a place where phones don't work and the landscape is sensational. You will need more than a day though.

Maybe one day!  My brother-in-law is in NZ so we'd love to head in that direction for a holiday at some point.


Title: Re: Napoleonic French Guard cavalry
Post by: FierceKitty on 18 September 2019, 02:33:47 AM
Too late for the warning, I was replying to customer emails on my wedding day!

I hope there was a piece of wedding cake in the envelope!


Title: Re: Napoleonic French Guard cavalry
Post by: Not Drowning, Waving on 18 September 2019, 06:14:53 AM
NZ is fantastic - make sure you get there. 


Title: Re: Napoleonic French Guard cavalry
Post by: Zippee on 20 September 2019, 09:42:40 AM
Come here to Oz with the long suffering Mrs Leon and I can take you to a place where phones don't work and the landscape is sensational. You will need more than a day though.

no need for the expensive flight - all I need to do is go in my own front door and lo no mobile reception.

i can get a signal at the gate  and behind the sheds in the rear gharden but the resdience itself is strictly wi-fi only

it's a bit of a culture shock to be honest!


Title: Re: Napoleonic French Guard cavalry
Post by: Techno on 20 September 2019, 04:38:28 PM
NZ is fantastic - make sure you get there. 

If only.....

The 'largest' side of my family, that I can trace, is 'down there'.

I think they had the right idea.  ;)

Cheers - Phil


Title: Re: Napoleonic French Guard cavalry
Post by: mollinary on 20 September 2019, 04:59:07 PM
More sheep?   :D :D :D :D


Title: Re: Napoleonic French Guard cavalry
Post by: pierre the shy on 20 September 2019, 08:30:36 PM
NZ is fantastic - make sure you get there. 

Sure is  :)



Title: Re: Napoleonic French Guard cavalry
Post by: paulr on 20 September 2019, 09:10:48 PM
Seconded :) :)


Title: Re: Napoleonic French Guard cavalry
Post by: Shutuphippie on 30 April 2020, 05:27:00 PM
Howdy chaps,

Great news to see that the non-kickstarter for the peninsular will be launching this weekend.

With that in mind i was wondering if their had been any progress on the Imperial Guard Cavalry and Infantry listed on this thread as it seems they are sculpted and nearly (probably a big statement there and I'm not familiar with the workload involved in  master molds etc)  ready to go.

Cheers

Andy


Title: Re: Napoleonic French Guard cavalry
Post by: Leon on 30 April 2020, 06:19:02 PM
Great news to see that the non-kickstarter for the peninsular will be launching this weekend.

With that in mind i was wondering if their had been any progress on the Imperial Guard Cavalry and Infantry listed on this thread as it seems they are sculpted and nearly (probably a big statement there and I'm not familiar with the workload involved in  master molds etc)  ready to go.

I've got the Guard cavalry on the side here with all of the other stuff to get prepped but I'm very aware that they've been there for a while now!  Once I've finished the new Japanese releases I'll move on to Guard cavalry as well as TB Line Islamics.


Title: Re: Napoleonic French Guard cavalry
Post by: Shutuphippie on 01 May 2020, 02:18:53 PM
Cheers Leon - that's great news


Title: Re: Napoleonic French Guard cavalry
Post by: Shutuphippie on 28 June 2020, 08:35:16 PM
Leon hi,

Any news on those Old Guard?   :D :D :D :D :D :D

Cheers

Andy



Title: Re: Napoleonic French Guard cavalry
Post by: Leon on 28 June 2020, 10:50:39 PM
No news yet, we had a backlog of client moulds (about 30 of them in total) to be done so I've been getting those sorted out this past couple of weeks. 


Title: Re: Napoleonic French Guard cavalry
Post by: WeeWars on 29 June 2020, 12:58:38 PM
Just a reminder that there was an issue with the Horse Grenadiers' hat cords.


Title: Re: Napoleonic French Guard cavalry
Post by: Leon on 29 June 2020, 02:16:23 PM
Just a reminder that there was an issue with the Horse Grenadiers' hat cords.

Which ones were those, the bearskins?  We sent a set back to the sculptor somewhere along the line, to move some braiding by about 0.5mm...


Title: Re: Napoleonic French Guard cavalry
Post by: ianrs54 on 29 June 2020, 03:25:06 PM
Leon. if you hadn't to;d us would we have noticed ?  Now the number of riviets ln a WWI MkV tank......


Title: Re: Napoleonic French Guard cavalry
Post by: WeeWars on 30 June 2020, 11:41:18 AM
Leon. if you hadn't to;d us would we have noticed ?  Now the number of riviets ln a WWI MkV tank......

My thinking is that that is a highly inappropriate remark, Ian. We're talking about putting on the market a properly designed product fit for service not something inconsequential that the people who collect Napoleonic wargames figures wouldn't notice. The sculptor used a reference that was historically inaccurate, even fictional.

"to move some braiding by about 0.5mm..."

Yes, the sculpts were sent back and they were returned but still not right. I'm afraid we're not talking about a number of things where that old jokey rivet analogy comes into play but putting History rather than Fantasy on the tabletop. At least, that's what I'm trying to do. Perhaps release "and be damned" and I will look forward to some more hours of DIY sculpting with the proverbial green stuff.


Title: Re: Napoleonic French Guard cavalry
Post by: monkeynut on 30 June 2020, 05:04:41 PM
Looking forward to the time  if or when these figures will be released. My French line units need a morale boost from seeing the  Guard on the table ,especially want  to see the cavalry and foot artillery . lMHO I think  this range would be popular  and maybe a  contender for a mini kickstarter to see what guard units would be requested from the Napoleonic collectors out there.
Keep up the great work Leon and I hope we arenít too demanding on the requests front 😁😬


🐵


Title: Re: Napoleonic French Guard cavalry
Post by: Leon on 30 June 2020, 07:44:22 PM
Yes, the sculpts were sent back and they were returned but still not right. I'm afraid we're not talking about a number of things where that old jokey rivet analogy comes into play but putting History rather than Fantasy on the tabletop. At least, that's what I'm trying to do. Perhaps release "and be damned" and I will look forward to some more hours of DIY sculpting with the proverbial green stuff.

If they still weren't right I'd need to go back and find the original thread to see what's wrong with them now.  I can't see a further change being done as they've been master moulded now, so unless it was something major it would be too late.