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Title: A Flippant History of the Crusades
Post by: mmcv on 07 June 2019, 03:09:48 PM
A new series I've started covering the history of the Crusades from start to when I lose interest. Hoping to do a number of series like this covering historical periods, will probably run one on the British Civil Wars alongside the Crusades ones initially, then branch out from there assuming I enjoy doing them enough!

https://mmcvhistory.home.blog/2019/06/07/a-flippant-history-of-the-crusades-prelude/

Bit of a rapid run through the few centuries preceding the Crusades. I'm not really one for trotting out lists of dates as I enjoy the overall story of the peoples and events more than the facts and figures, but I'll occasionally drop some dates in as anchor points for the story. There will hopefully be more posts to follow in the future.

Thoughts, insults, criticisms, comments on interest or disinterest level all more than welcome!
Title: Re: A Flippant History of the Crusades
Post by: d_Guy on 07 June 2019, 04:51:26 PM
Good read. You made me think of Mr. Peabody. :-bd
Title: Re: A Flippant History of the Crusades
Post by: Duke Speedy of Leighton on 07 June 2019, 06:23:05 PM
8th and 9th crusades please (mainly because they are hilarious)
Title: Re: A Flippant History of the Crusades
Post by: mmcv on 07 June 2019, 09:18:59 PM
Quote from: d_Guy on 07 June 2019, 04:51:26 PM
Good read. You made me think of Mr. Peabody. :-bd

Glad you enjoyed it, I had to look up who Mr Peabody was, thanks... I think!

Quote from: mad lemmey on 07 June 2019, 06:23:05 PM
8th and 9th crusades please (mainly because they are hilarious)

I'll work through chronologically I think, I'm looking forward to the forth as much hilarity ensues there.
Title: Re: A Flippant History of the Crusades
Post by: paulr on 07 June 2019, 10:53:33 PM
A good read :)
Title: Re: A Flippant History of the Crusades
Post by: Techno on 08 June 2019, 07:36:53 AM
Nice one !!  :)

Like the 'lab'.

Cheers - Phil
Title: Re: A Flippant History of the Crusades
Post by: Duke Speedy of Leighton on 08 June 2019, 08:03:35 AM
Brilliant, but you forgot the devinely inspired goose!
Title: Re: A Flippant History of the Crusades
Post by: FierceKitty on 08 June 2019, 08:16:59 AM
Quote from: mad lemmey on 08 June 2019, 08:03:35 AM
Brilliant, but you forgot the devinely inspired goose!

What a way to talk about St Bernard of Clairvaux. Just because he was a bit free in his interpretation of what "Love thy neighbour" implied....
Title: Re: A Flippant History of the Crusades
Post by: mmcv on 08 June 2019, 08:34:23 AM
Puts a new meaning to a goosey gander.

I can't really tell if the tale of the goose and she-goat leading the people's crusade about is anything more than a disparaging rumour to show how ridiculous they were. Not that they needed such outlandish rumours to show their ridiculousness...
Title: Re: A Flippant History of the Crusades
Post by: FierceKitty on 08 June 2019, 09:31:56 AM
Responsible historians also point out that most of the stories of the Children's Crusade stem from misreading the word pueri, which in classical Latin did mean children, but in medieval times was used disparagingly for social inferiors (like boy or girl in my own dear country in the unlamented days of the race Reich). Chroniclers were almost certainly refering to mass movement by the despised countryfolk, not to a Pied Piper phenomenon.

(next week: what's wrong with the Lady Godiva story)
Title: Re: A Flippant History of the Crusades
Post by: sunjester on 08 June 2019, 09:49:31 AM
 =D> =D> =D>
Title: Re: A Flippant History of the Crusades
Post by: paulr on 09 June 2019, 12:24:01 AM
Quote from: mad lemmey on 08 June 2019, 08:03:35 AM
Brilliant, but you forgot the devinely inspired goose!
Quote from: mmcv on 08 June 2019, 08:34:23 AM
Puts a new meaning to a goosey gander.

I can't really tell if the tale of the goose and she-goat leading the people's crusade about is anything more than a disparaging rumour to show how ridiculous they were. Not that they needed such outlandish rumours to show their ridiculousness...

(http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t197/paulreynolds999/DBA%20First%20Crusade%20project/IMG_2104_zps2pfnihe4.jpg)

One of the Pilgrim  Hd S elements from my Early Crusader DBA army ;)
Title: Re: A Flippant History of the Crusades
Post by: mmcv on 09 June 2019, 12:30:49 AM
 ;D =D>
Title: Re: A Flippant History of the Crusades
Post by: lowlylowlycook on 09 June 2019, 03:05:37 AM
Well played!
Title: Re: A Flippant History of the Crusades
Post by: FierceKitty on 09 June 2019, 03:30:19 AM
Is that pilgrim element a bit of anti-Minbari propaganda?
Title: Re: A Flippant History of the Crusades
Post by: paulr on 09 June 2019, 06:48:35 AM
All but the goose is from another manufacturer :-[
Title: Re: A Flippant History of the Crusades
Post by: Duke Speedy of Leighton on 09 June 2019, 10:39:08 AM
Superb
Title: A Flippant History of the Crusades - The Road To Constantinople
Post by: mmcv on 10 July 2019, 01:23:02 PM
Next post in the series is now published:

https://mmcvhistory.home.blog/2019/07/09/a-flippant-history-of-the-crusades-the-first-crusade-the-road-to-constantinople/

Took quite a while to put this one together, both due to pesky real-life interference and the disparate topics it covers.

Now that all the Crusaders are together, the next entry should go a bit more smoothly!

As ever, let me know if there's any mistakes or significant omissions.

Cheers,

Matthew
Title: Re: A Flippant History of the Crusades
Post by: d_Guy on 10 July 2019, 08:08:59 PM
 :) :-bd
Title: Re: A Flippant History of the Crusades
Post by: Duke Speedy of Leighton on 10 July 2019, 08:34:36 PM
Brilliant again
Title: Re: A Flippant History of the Crusades
Post by: paulr on 11 July 2019, 12:09:11 AM
Another good read, particularly interesting for me as I have DBA armies based around the First Crusade :-bd =D> :-bd
Title: Re: A Flippant History of the Crusades
Post by: mmcv on 11 July 2019, 07:32:26 AM
Thanks, glad you enjoyed!
Title: Re: A Flippant History of the Crusades
Post by: mmcv on 22 February 2020, 12:06:57 PM
I've finally got working on the next post of this which should hopefully be ready soon, around the siege and battle of Nicea. This is the first time the Western and Turkish armies properly clashed and while it's a relatively short battle it sets the stage for future conflict and tactics.

It's also been 5 months since my last game, so I've decided to do a small game to simulate the battle tomorrow morning. All being well there'll be a battle report to go alongside the history post. Not sure if I'll do this for every battle I cover but we'll see!
Title: Re: A Flippant History of the Crusades
Post by: paulr on 22 February 2020, 07:01:44 PM
Five months :o I get twitchy after a week or two without a game

Looking forward to these :)
Title: Re: A Flippant History of the Crusades
Post by: mmcv on 22 February 2020, 07:13:11 PM
Quote from: paulr on 22 February 2020, 07:01:44 PM
Five months :o I get twitchy after a week or two without a game

Looking forward to these :)

Life has a habit of getting in the way and before you know it five months has passed!  :o
Title: Re: A Flippant History of the Crusades
Post by: Techno on 23 February 2020, 08:35:14 AM
That really is rather good, Matthew.  :-bd

Cheers - Phil
Title: Re: A Flippant History of the Crusades
Post by: mmcv on 23 February 2020, 01:28:27 PM
Here we go, the siege and battle of Nicaea:

https://mmcvhistory.home.blog/2020/02/23/a-flippant-history-of-the-crusades-the-first-crusade-naughty-or-nicea/

And the associated battle report:

https://mmcvhistory.home.blog/2020/02/23/the-battle-of-nicaea-may-1097/

Enjoy!
Title: Re: A Flippant History of the Crusades
Post by: paulr on 23 February 2020, 06:49:12 PM
 :-bd =D> :-bd =D>
Title: Re: A Flippant History of the Crusades
Post by: Duke Speedy of Leighton on 23 February 2020, 08:02:15 PM
Nice one
Title: Re: A Flippant History of the Crusades
Post by: mmcv on 09 August 2020, 01:59:28 AM
The Battle of Dorylaeum, in which the Crusaders almost get shot to pieces, but turn the tide thanks to divine intervention, with a little help from heavy armour, big horses and overwhelming numerical superiority.

https://mmcvhistory.home.blog/2020/08/09/a-flippant-history-of-the-crusades-the-first-crusade-dorylaeum-down-to-rest/

I've also posted a battle report with a scenario based on the battle over on the battle reports board (http://www.pendrakenforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,19990.msg307549/topicseen.html#msg307549)
Title: Re: A Flippant History of the Crusades
Post by: paulr on 09 August 2020, 07:49:53 AM
 :-bd =D> :-bd
Title: Re: A Flippant History of the Crusades
Post by: steve_holmes_11 on 09 August 2020, 07:52:30 PM
Quote from: FierceKitty on 08 June 2019, 09:31:56 AM
Responsible historians also point out that most of the stories of the Children's Crusade stem from misreading the word pueri, which in classical Latin did mean children, but in medieval times was used disparagingly for social inferiors (like boy or girl in my own dear country in the unlamented days of the race Reich). Chroniclers were almost certainly refering to mass movement by the despised countryfolk, not to a Pied Piper phenomenon.

(next week: what's wrong with the Lady Godiva story)

I'll tell you what's wrong with the Lady Godiva story.
Lack of a film version starring Jenny Agutter / Anna Friel / Kate Beckinsale.
Title: Re: A Flippant History of the Crusades
Post by: Scorpio_Rocks on 11 August 2020, 02:59:14 PM
Great fun!

My interest in the crusades was recently re-kindled and your fun style helps the facts sink in.

Thanks! Looking forward to the continuance of the series.
Title: Re: A Flippant History of the Crusades
Post by: mmcv on 11 August 2020, 03:50:39 PM
Thanks for the kind words. I got into the crusades almost by accident a few years back but have found them a wealth of interesting information and wargaming potential.

I've been enjoying playing games that coincide with the history where applicable so hope to keep that up for a bit. Next one will probably take us through (Spoiler Alert) the Siege of Antioch and the various attempts by the Muslims to relieve it, so definitely a good battle to be had there.

No promises on how long that will be though, I always seem to take longer between them than I intend. Pesky real life and other wargaming and hobby interests being what they are.